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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have a great

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show this evening I'm pretty excited

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about our guest

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Seth Breedlove I'll talk about him in

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just a second I do want to say that I do

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podcast UFO calm by the way but you want

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to go over there because we have a great

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blog it's one of two by charles lear and

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it's called the kelly kentucky UFO

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goblins I don't know if anyone's ever

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looked into the Hopkinsville goblins

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they're called or there's all different

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types of names for it but this happened

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back I believe it was August in 1955 and

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seems like in the 50s there was a lot of

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things going on it's a great story if

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you have not heard about it it was

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actually a horrific night for a family I

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think their name was the Lankford's and

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they were dealing with these beings that

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were on the roof and there was fire shot

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shots fired fire shot shots fired and

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again it was a horrific night for that

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family and again it's a this is the

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first part of that story check it out

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your media player our guest tonight is

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Seth Breedlove and he's an Ohio

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filmmaker in he's written edited and

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produced and directed shorts and

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features about a variety of topics but

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he's best known for his production

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company and films they've produced under

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the small-town monsters

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banner I was talking to him earlier we

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were talking about cities and small

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towns so I like that title for him it

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fits him well itself

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Seth helped launch an episodic series

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under the title of on the trail off and

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we're gonna be talking about on the

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trail of UFOs he produced the first

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season along with his wife and went on

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to direct shoot in edit the second

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season which focused on Bigfoot and then

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of course he turned his attention to

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UFOs which we'll be talking about

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tonight

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and this year Seth will also direct the

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Mothman legacy that's always thought

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that was pretty fascinating and the mark

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of the Bell which that I've heard of but

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I don't know anything about we may touch

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on those topics later welcome to the

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show Seth yeah thanks so much for having

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me yeah Seth so you studied a lot of

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different topics it must be hard to keep

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you know informed about all of them how

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do you get all your information on you

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know for the things you're looking into

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it's it's funny it was a lot easier when

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I had a full-time job because that's

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weird as that sounds because what I what

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I used to do like what I got did when I

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got into all this was medical billing

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and when I was doing the medical billing

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job there's there's nothing there was

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nothing else for me to do in between all

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the data entry other than like listen to

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podcasts and and so I found like I could

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listen to podcasts I could listen to old

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radio shows and stuff like that which is

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how I sort of discovered like the the

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the old flatwoods monster radio oh yeah

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interviews and stuff like that III found

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digesting information that I do these

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days so the way I do it now is I have to

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very consciously set aside time in

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between each project and every year it

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gets a little more difficult because

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each year we're adding more and more

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projects so I mean if you you know in

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year and and usually we were shooting

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year there was there was rarely a month

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that once went by where we weren't doing

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especially with on the trail of UFOs

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filming which ended up being a close to

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30 day shoot which for us is a really

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extensive Wow period of time for us to

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be doing anything so we shot that over

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the course of three three different sort

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of major trips and then that included

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that compass to all the states that you

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see in this series so so anyway that the

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short answer is I have to make time to

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really sit down and start taking in

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information for whatever I'm working on

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next but we also in the last year have

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brought on a research assistant named

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Heather Moser who's been helping me a

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lot with with all the different projects

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she did not work on on the trail of UFOs

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which is interesting because it's like

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the the largest number of interviews we

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ever ever had in anything but she's hard

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at work at on the Mothman legacy and the

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mark of the Bell Witch and she helped

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out with our Momo the Missouri monster

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project as well so she's she has been a

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huge part of being able to get all the

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stuff done that I need to get done well

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interesting now did you actually it was

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UFO was part of something you looked

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into you know young or is this something

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that you just you know took on as far as

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the rest of the series of things you're

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doing yeah I think it was actually UFOs

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most of the other stuff which is

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interesting because I focused much more

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heavily on cryptids especially Bigfoot

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since we launched on small town monsters

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and but it was UFOs that it was really

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that very early era of UFO research like

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the 19th the late 40s and early 50s

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so much it was rooted so much in like

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the government involvement and and I

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shadowy government conspiracy side of

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that always appealed to me especially

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that that sort of just getting into the

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so that stuff always appealed to me and

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I was very much interested in it and

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we've touched we've touched on the UFO

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topic in a number of our projects I

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made a point pleasant where we where we

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did discuss some of the UFO sightings

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that were going on around Point Pleasant

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in the 60s and then we got into the

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flatwoods monster which is very much a

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UFO film in my opinion I mean it's all

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about you know UFOs over over the state

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so we've touched on it but I don't think

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chance to really sort of fully invest

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ourselves in it and and that was

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exciting to me when we decided to hit

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hit this project and I guess the hardest

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thing to for me though as someone who's

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into the topic of UFOs but has never

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invested myself or not invested myself

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but has never sort of put put my toe in

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the waters of the UFO community that was

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a little intimidating just coming into

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it because you're aware that what we're

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audience of people who might not be

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aware of the UFO topic you know and and

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it's good yeah and that's that's kind of

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how we come at this stuff every project

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we do and we do that mainly because that

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seems to be our core audience or people

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who were just sort of starting to get

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into these topics so when we hit upon

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this it was it was perfect for me

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because I felt like in a lot of ways I

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was learning along with the audience so

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even though I've been interested in UFOs

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for a long time a lot of this stuff that

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we were including in the series I had

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just learned or was learning especially

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like the airship waves has been

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fascinating for me for the last year and

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my friend mark and I had really done a

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deep dive on that topic for a podcast

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and because of that that's why airships

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ended up in on the trail of UFOs because

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the time same way--with we did an entire

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episode episode number six about mystery

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lights and that's why we we that's

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something I've just gotten into in the

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last year so

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is a passion project in a way but also

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you know it's not yeah well you know we

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do have there's a lot of people that are

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seasoned listeners that have been paying

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attention to this topic a long time but

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there's also I hear from new people

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listening to the show all the time and

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new people that are interested in this

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topic and it's the topic is new to them

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so a lot of times you know I don't think

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to get into a description of something I

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it's it's not a good thing

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that sometimes I just assumed that

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someone knows what Roswell was or or

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Kecksburg or or any other sighting

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Phoenix lights or you name it but it

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really is good you know

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maybe it's a little boring to some

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people that sort of the story over and

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over again but for the new person out

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there that's looking for information I

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think it's great in that we should you

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know explain a little more and I did

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watch her series I watched the screeners

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and I agree you you actually are there

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was a lot of things I knew but some of

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the things I learned too so it's see

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that's that's that's the biggest that's

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the biggest compliment for me is that I

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August lis expected this to be a series

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that that sort of UFO the people that

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are educated on the UFO subject might

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not get as much out of it but we very

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consciously were trying to hit that

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middle ground where yes we're putting a

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bunch of information in here that's

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already out there but we're also trying

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to give enough breadcrumbs that that

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someone that's well educated on the

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subject can follow along too and find

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things that are interesting I think I

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think the key is honestly what is said

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in the first episode which is that we

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were gonna put the focus back on the

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people so so so many of like the the

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television shows and stuff about the

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subject are about actors running through

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the woods chasing lights in the sky and

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that just wasn't something we wanted to

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do and what I really wanted to do was

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was let that the investigators and

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researchers we talked to you sort of

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tell tell the story of ufology but also

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let us have some insight into who they

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are as well and that goes ee for for

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witnesses and experiencers we talked to

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like I think you can't you can't have a

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series like this if you're not going to

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talk about their own experiences with

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with the subject and I think that's what

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keeps people like yourself maybe

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invested as well is that you know like

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for all the the information you might

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know about like area 51

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you probably had never heard Dan

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wheeshes story and Dan dan is that you

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know the witness we interviewed in the

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first episode I don't know why I talk

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about being probably more than anyone in

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this entire series he's he's a friend of

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mine and he had told me that story years

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ago and it's always stuck with me

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and and I think the reason it really

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sticks stands out is because if you go

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to the spot and you see where he claimed

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this happened it's the most bizarre

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thing to have happened in that location

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because it's such a populated area why

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don't you explain that a little yeah

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yeah dan was a Dan was just a little kid

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this would have been the very early 90s

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and him and his sister were staying at

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their grandmother's house him and both

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of his sisters actually we're staying at

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their grandmother's house and they had

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gone outside for a walk and and actually

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it was just him and his older sister and

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then his other older sister had also

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been out for a walk but they weren't

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together they were walking and they they

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fixed for some reason something caught

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their attention off to the east they

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were in a town called Barberton Ohio and

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it's a populated town it's a it's a very

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I would I would hesitate to call it a

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city but it's basically a large suburb

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of Akron so it's a part of Akron

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essentially it's a very populated area

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they were in a populated section of town

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they were walking they something caught

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their gaze they looked off to the east

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and what they saw was a light I guess a

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series of flashing lights in the sky

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that he said looked like a carnival ride

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you know like I can't remember the name

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of a specific ride he referenced but

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there's a ride you know that actually

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looks like a UFO with the flashing

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lights all around the edge and that's

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essentially what he thought he saw

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coming

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the sky and him and his sister saw it

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his other sister who was coming up the

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road at the same time saw it and then a

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jogger who was coming down there at the

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same time saw it so you had three three

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of the kid three of the we still don't

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see it and then this other guy that they

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they ran into saw it as well the object

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came across the sky sort of seemed to

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hover and then go down behind these

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trees which would be the only section of

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the area that is not neighborhood houses

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build residential buildings commercial

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buildings is this giant forest that sits

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in the middle of this town it seemed to

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hover and go down behind the trees into

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that forested area they never saw leave

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they just saw it together and and now

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there is it there there are some some

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some things that are involved in that

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story that I would really want to get

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back into at some point one of them is

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the fact that there seemed to be a

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number of minds under Barberton in fact

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the minds that are down there

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stretch all the way to the to Lake Erie

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which is about 40 miles to the north and

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these were I don't want to say salt

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mines I can't remember what kind of mind

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they were but there there is also

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they're so large the mines down there

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are so large that they actually store

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they stored all the old excavate earth

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movers and excavators down there as well

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and these are still down there as far as

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I can find so we're curious to do a

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little bit of digging into the no pun

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intended we're curious to do a little

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bit of digging into what actually is in

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that forest and maybe beneath that

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forest because the other part of that

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story that got left out is that Dan is

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almost convinced that shortly after

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their sighting there was a fence erected

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around the forested area now we went we

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went back there and it looks to us like

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you can get in there today so there's no

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there's no fence so he's not can he's

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not positive he's remembering that right

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you know I mean I think he was like I

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think he was like nine years old in the

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time so he was pretty young but he was

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always come

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positive that they put up this fence

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after the fact yeah so anyway that that

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event really affected him and and I

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think the episode it all takes place in

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episode 1 I think episode 1 you get a

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good sense that it affected him in a

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major way to the point where he's still

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really curious about it today and he

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talks to his sister on the phone and the

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episode and you can kind of hear her

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corroborate his story and she thinks

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about it as well I just think that that

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the effect that even just seeing

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something for 7 seconds in the sky can

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have on a witness is really impactful oh

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absolutely absolutely I was I'm gonna

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bring up someone that's on your show

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because I've I've his friends on

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Facebook and know this gentleman and he

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contacted me I don't know a couple years

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ago and he said hey you remember you

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were at my house and looking at my

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antiques and for auction and all that

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stuff and I said oh yeah yeah how you

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doing and all this stuff and he goes

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well guess what I'm listening to your

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show and you had him on your show Dean

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merchant saladin yeah yeah yeah Dean's

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great we we the strangest thing about

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Dean's interview is that it was I mean

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that's one thing you what you've seen is

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eight episodes of on the trail of UFOs

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featuring almost 30 interviews clocking

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in at over 270 minutes and we still have

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enough content that we could have cut

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four or five more episodes like if time

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and money weren't enough an object we

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would have easily had another four or

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five episode three or four episodes in

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there and Dean would have been featured

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in another few because he had a lot of

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information about a lot of topics that

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we never actually got to in this season

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so we're really hoping to be able to do

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multiple seasons but Dean Dean's are

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really knowledgeable I called him like a

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UFO historian because I don't know what

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else to refer to him as he's not crazy

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about like the investigator or

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researcher you know label right well I

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invited him on this show and he's

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possibly gonna come on at sometime in

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April or May something like that he's

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got that great New England accent too

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oh yeah

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the funniest thing about his New England

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accent was I shipped off his I have to

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send off the the interviews to be

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transcribed and this time around I hired

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a service that was computerized and the

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computer had no idea what was happening

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his reading his interview this is one of

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the funniest things I've ever seen in my

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life oh that's a riot I hope you I hope

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you let him know that yeah I'll have to

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yeah I haven't yet yeah oh that's great

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that's great and so we're going into

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break in about four minutes or so but if

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you would well first of all Shannon look

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grow from Las Vegas if I remember right

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she's like the lead person basically

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it's it looks you know it appears from

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watching the the videos that it's

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basically her in the lead but you you're

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there and you're you're throwing some

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questions to some of the the people and

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so how did you find she's a very nice

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woman how did you find

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Chenin we've Shannon and I have been

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friends since before I started

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small-time monsters and weirdly enough

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we met at a Finding Bigfoot town-hall

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taping town hall meeting taping here in

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Ohio back in 2014 during this very short

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period of time where she lived in Ohio

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so we met in 2014 and then she worked

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with me last year she was in one episode

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well she's in three episodes of on the

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trail of Bigfoot we were together out in

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the out in the field for one episode of

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on the trail of a Bigfoot which is the

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final episode episode six and I like the

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way we work together and her approach to

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witness interviews and and just her

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approach to these topics in general is

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really similar sort of to mine and also

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I don't really like being on camera I

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was on camera for on the trail of

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Bigfoot I was the lead for that series

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and I I kind of hated it

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so I asked her if she would sort of be

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the you know the the face and the voice

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tube on the trail of UFOs so it is it's

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her story you know and her story is that

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she's joining us to make to make the

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series I mean we don't really make

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hooks you know I think a TV show would

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have made up some sort of hook for this

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we didn't really do that it's it's

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pretty much explicitly stated in the

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first episode she's going on her own

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journey to learn about the subject and

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she's joining small-town monsters as we

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make this series to do it so it you know

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we try to we try to do pretty much

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everything as honestly you know up front

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us we can possibly be with this sort of

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thing you know she she's leading a lot

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of the the interviews especially and and

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I think I think as as the person sort of

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at the center of it she she does a

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terrific job of anchoring the whole

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thing right right and you know there's

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actually you know speaking of Las Vegas

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know Peggy who runs our Facebook page

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and but there's a lot that actually

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happens in Las Vegas there's a lot of

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sightings yeah I'm friends with someone

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that is not into UFOs and and she found

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out I was she's ending it she was

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actually on TV for I can't remember the

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channel but she basically did decorating

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and stuff like that and I've known her

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for a while mmm and she says oh you

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guess well I just saw your show on UFOs

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and she started telling me about this

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amazing huge black triangle she saw

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right outside of her hotel room and

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found yeah aigis pretty Maisie UNIX the

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the Phoenix lights were also seen in

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Vegas which was like something that I

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found when we were interviewing David

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Weatherly for the series is that there

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were sightings of the Phoenix lesen

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things which I had never heard of before

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so yeah yeah I'm not I'm not as in the

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loop yeah okay well it's we're gonna

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head into break so everyone hang in

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there we'll be right back right after

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alright gentlemen we're in the clear

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we've got under 4 minutes in this break

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Martin it'll probably about 3 3 minutes

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and 40 seconds got it okay thank you so

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we're still live on YouTube and right so

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let's let's talk up on this break here

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let's let's talk a little bit about what

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happens in in Ohio have you looked I

533
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mean actually a lot of things happen in

534
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Ohio in particular but is that something

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you've ever looked into as far as the

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UFO sightings and yeah yeah the most

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frustrating part about this first season

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of on the trail of UFOs was we didn't

539
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:56,399
get to do the coin incident the coin II

540
00:23:01,760 --> 00:22:58,860
offenses yeah yeah because that was like

541
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,770
I actually spoke at a MUFON conference I

542
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,480
was asked to speak at a MUFON conference

543
00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:05,580
this past year and that was my first

544
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:08,190
time really learning about it again I'm

545
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,980
a newbie so take it easy on me but but I

546
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:12,720
had never been aware of that incident

547
00:23:17,539 --> 00:23:15,570
and what really it's it's kind of clues

548
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:17,549
you into like what a monster nerd I am

549
00:23:21,139 --> 00:23:19,350
because like the thing that caught my

550
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:21,149
attention about it is where the where

551
00:23:25,899 --> 00:23:24,330
the the UFO first intercept of the

552
00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:25,909
helicopter would have been right over

553
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:29,480
Charles the Charles mill Lake and

554
00:23:35,659 --> 00:23:32,720
Charles mill lake in the 50s had a

555
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,669
really famous local monster called the

556
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,960
Charles Miller lake monster which was

557
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,980
sort of like Creature from the Black

558
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,140
Lagoon type monster and so as soon as

559
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,760
they said something Charles Malay kid

560
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,159
piqued my interest what was what was

561
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:46,740
really cool about that was the fire

562
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,230
chief of the county was there and it

563
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:52,380
turned out that the fire chief back when

564
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:54,330
the incident took place when when the

565
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,500
clean helicopter incident took place the

566
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:00,600
fire chief was a teenager and him and

567
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,010
like 20 other kids saw the UFO intercept

568
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,919
a helicopter from the ground so I had I

569
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:10,620
was really excited about the idea of

570
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:15,090
doing some retelling of that incident in

571
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:16,980
on the trail of UFO so I'm really hoping

572
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:18,299
we can get a season 2 off the ground

573
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:20,190
because I'd love to do that but beyond

574
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,020
that portage the portage lake or the

575
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:24,480
Portage County UFO chases one way always

576
00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:27,090
been one of my favorite UFO stories I'm

577
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:28,830
super fascinating and

578
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,080
well we got a couple minutes can you

579
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:33,480
talk about that the coin one always

580
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:36,120
fascinated me as well and basically at a

581
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:40,530
UFO actually levitated a helicopter it

582
00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:43,380
actually grows it was very scary and

583
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,480
anyone can check that out if you just go

584
00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:47,220
into coin I don't know I can't remember

585
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:49,920
that spelled Co Y and it's like see I

586
00:24:54,530 --> 00:24:52,710
think I think it's Co Y and E and they

587
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:54,540
were flying they were flying from an

588
00:25:01,040 --> 00:24:57,330
airbase in Cleveland down to I think he

589
00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:01,050
said in Mansfield you know and they if

590
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:03,300
you if you know the area that's Charles

591
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:04,410
mill Wake it's like right in between

592
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:07,050
those two two locations and so I guess

593
00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:11,460
yeah they started sort of they had

594
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:14,070
basically what amounts to like a I mean

595
00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:15,630
it was it was a long period of time

596
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:17,550
where they essentially had almost like a

597
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:20,700
dogfight and what was interesting to me

598
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:23,330
was the the crew of this helicopter

599
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:26,250
despite what should have been sort of a

600
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:30,090
really intimidating or at the at the

601
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:32,030
very least intimidating if not downright

602
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:35,850
terrifying encounter they were never

603
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,770
actually scared in fact like they all

604
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:39,840
sort of talked about how how they were

605
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,690
all more fascinated and excited by what

606
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:44,460
they were seeing and the entire crew of

607
00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:47,880
this helicopter were witnesses to to

608
00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:50,390
whatever this object was and they will

609
00:25:57,650 --> 00:25:54,270
corroborate this story one of them is

610
00:26:01,040 --> 00:25:57,660
still detective in Cleveland today one

611
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:01,050
of the crew and the other one recently

612
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:02,730
moved one of the other ones moved down

613
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:05,970
to Atlanta and is a member of the police

614
00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:09,090
department in Atlanta and I can't

615
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:10,380
remember what happened to everyone else

616
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:13,130
sometimes you got going back on yep

617
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:16,260
sounds good all right sorry about that

618
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:17,700
Seth I didn't mean to interrupt you

619
00:26:27,050 --> 00:26:24,080
there okay in five four three two all

620
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:27,060
right welcome back my guest is Seth

621
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:30,420
Breedlove and we were actually talking

622
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:32,310
during the break

623
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,310
you mentioned a famous UFO case in Ohio

624
00:26:42,530 --> 00:26:40,500
that is one of your favorites and I had

625
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:42,540
never heard of it can you tell me what

626
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:45,690
that case is called again the the coin

627
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,110
no the other one the Portage County yeah

628
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,200
I don't know if that one I'm I'm pretty

629
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:54,480
sure you do it's it's given a lot of

630
00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:55,740
different names the reason I call it the

631
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:57,870
Portage County UFO chases because it

632
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,670
originated in Portage County but it's

633
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,200
the one where the where the two police

634
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:03,840
officers started getting calls about

635
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:05,880
about a UFO they see it and they

636
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:07,110
proceeded to chase it all the way into

637
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:10,110
Pennsylvania yes I know yes yeah and

638
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,850
they're told they're told it's a it's

639
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:13,500
beat they're chasing the planet Venus

640
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:15,090
essentially with the other you know

641
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:17,160
law-enforcement officials from all over

642
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:20,820
the the state sort of joining in but I

643
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,050
call it Portage County because that

644
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:24,480
first patrol car that goes rushing

645
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:26,130
toward Pennsylvania was actually in

646
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:27,810
Portage County which is only like 15

647
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:29,970
minutes from where I live but that's

648
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:31,110
always been one of the most fascinating

649
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,080
to me because of the the the way the the

650
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:38,880
policemen were treated simply for

651
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,100
reporting what they encountered that's

652
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:43,200
right and how many there were quite a

653
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:45,450
few involved was it something like six

654
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:47,250
or was it I think I want to say it was

655
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:50,010
six but it might have been more than

656
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:52,710
that and I heard it a great talk about

657
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:57,000
this like a year ago I can't remember

658
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,650
the guys name now it's gonna drive me

659
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:00,840
crazy but but I've always been really

660
00:28:06,410 --> 00:28:02,550
fascinated with that story because it's

661
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:06,420
so close to us but I'm I'm always drawn

662
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,670
to stories more because of the human

663
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:10,620
component and and the way that that

664
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:12,930
story of negatively affected the

665
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:15,960
witnesses I always thought was really

666
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,620
really kind of sad and spoke it sort of

667
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,960
speaks to the the larger way witnesses

668
00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:24,360
are treated in general or at least were

669
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:27,270
treated particularly at that time for

670
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:28,620
coming forward with the sighting and

671
00:28:31,550 --> 00:28:30,090
especially if you were working in law

672
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:31,560
enforcement it seems like it was a

673
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:35,550
really just a terribly negative thing

674
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:37,050
that ended up honestly destroying them

675
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,330
in careers of a few of those guys that

676
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:41,400
were involved in it yeah that's that's

677
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:45,410
not that's not unusual unfortunately

678
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:48,960
what do you think if I ask you this

679
00:28:51,170 --> 00:28:49,410
question

680
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,180
do you think you know anything more

681
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:54,720
about this topic of what these things

682
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:55,980
might be

683
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:58,530
or do you think you know less about it

684
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:02,640
since you actually went into this I

685
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,610
think I probably know I think I probably

686
00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:08,640
know a little bit less if you're going

687
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,990
on and you're trying to sort of

688
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:12,240
subscribe to one of those and then you

689
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:15,530
realize that that there aren't a lot of

690
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,500
commonalities between encounters there

691
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,419
are but they're honor and you know we

692
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:23,460
point them out in episode two I think we

693
00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:25,410
tried to do a somewhat decent job of

694
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:26,429
pointing out some of the commonalities

695
00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:28,530
and like craft descriptions and you can

696
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:30,900
definitely like start drawing from the

697
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:33,510
data you know as far as what all the

698
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:36,630
other what we're putting out in the

699
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:38,130
series you can start to draw from that

700
00:29:42,730 --> 00:29:40,049
and draw lines between some things but I

701
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:42,740
think at the end of the day I have no

702
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:45,090
your eye I don't know that I even have a

703
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,270
theory anymore that dominates any of the

704
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,340
others as to what is what is actually

705
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:52,679
going on right yeah I have no idea

706
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:57,210
and you had Linda Zimmerman on which I

707
00:30:02,360 --> 00:29:58,770
have a lot of respect for really nicely

708
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:02,370
and I think she said something along the

709
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:06,390
lines of this flying saucer was in

710
00:30:11,539 --> 00:30:09,419
fashion at that time and yeah it's kind

711
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,549
of it's kind of funny because you know I

712
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:13,679
mean people are seeing different things

713
00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:15,510
and you know that what I saw would be

714
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:19,160
described as a flying saucer in 2006 but

715
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:22,500
but you know there's a cigar uuf shaped

716
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:24,809
UFOs and some people say well those are

717
00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:27,450
just the saucer shaped you know at a

718
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:30,660
sideview but a lot of people are

719
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:32,610
describing actually seeing you know

720
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,330
cigar-shaped UFOs and you know the funny

721
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:38,580
thing about those the more people I've

722
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:41,130
talked to that talk about those have all

723
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:43,410
said almost all said that they've seen

724
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:47,700
like portholes like yeah little round

725
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:50,210
windows on them which is really bizarre

726
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:53,040
yeah I think that's that's a that's

727
00:30:57,980 --> 00:30:55,140
another correlation to those airship

728
00:30:58,820 --> 00:30:57,990
yeah reports from the from the early

729
00:31:01,640 --> 00:30:58,830
nineteen hundred's

730
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:01,650
yeah yeah so let's let's talk a little

731
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:03,929
bit about those because people I mean if

732
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:05,130
you go back you can see the old

733
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,220
newspaper clippings of some of these

734
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:10,000
what they called airships

735
00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:13,240
and you know they weren't dirigibles so

736
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:16,800
they didn't some of these actually were

737
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:21,760
you know these reports were a prior to

738
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:24,670
when those were flying around yeah

739
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:26,950
that's just and at the height of a major

740
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:29,470
airship wave that was sort of going all

741
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:32,590
around the west coast in this in this

742
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:35,290
series we get into the ones more on the

743
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:36,910
East Coast especially like the Hudson

744
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:39,910
Valley flap that was happening in the

745
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:41,470
early nineteen hundred's but there was

746
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:44,170
that very late 18-hundreds flap of

747
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:45,940
sightings that started in like San

748
00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:49,060
Francisco if you do any sort of archival

749
00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:50,740
newspaper or archival research into

750
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,060
airships you'll find no shortage of very

751
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,210
detailed reports that were being run in

752
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:00,880
newspapers at the time of encounters

753
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:04,300
with these flying craft that we're

754
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,560
singing over like San Francisco San Jose

755
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:10,480
I mean San Diego they're there all over

756
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:12,610
the California area and then they start

757
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:15,370
going moving out into the Midwest what's

758
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,410
really interesting is you can track them

759
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:20,350
you know like you'll there's there's

760
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:23,010
actually points in time where you'll see

761
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:25,180
you're you're able to track their

762
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:27,790
movement by by the reports popping up in

763
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:30,430
the newspapers around the country so

764
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:31,870
they start in one area and then they

765
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:33,940
move out of crusts you know the country

766
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:35,740
and obviously if you're a skeptic your

767
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:37,000
response to that is going to be well

768
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,500
that's just other newspapers picking

769
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:40,000
that same story up and they start

770
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:42,490
running their own you know falsified

771
00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:44,380
version of it and that is like any time

772
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,870
you do archival research that's a danger

773
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:49,600
you'll run into is is newspapers in the

774
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:53,800
1800s and 1900s some would argue obtain

775
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:57,850
a love making up stories to sell papers

776
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:00,880
that's yeah yeah and and so they you you

777
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:02,740
do run into that but a lot of these

778
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:04,180
stories have a lot of details that are

779
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:06,580
that are able to be corroborated so

780
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:08,050
you've got names of witnesses and things

781
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:09,550
like that that in a story that's

782
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:12,820
falsified in a newspaper they typically

783
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:15,550
wouldn't add those details so as long as

784
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,930
you can at least corroborate some of

785
00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:18,880
these people existed that that in itself

786
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:20,920
isn't is a major indication that some of

787
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:23,610
these things actually happen yeah

788
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:25,890
I see how those those airship layers are

789
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:28,860
super interesting to me and and when you

790
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:33,510
get into the 1900s waves that hit like

791
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:35,490
the East Coast and especially the Hudson

792
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:38,850
Valley area those those get really

793
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,380
interesting as well because of the fact

794
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,960
that there are actual encounters with in

795
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:45,480
some incident in instances there's

796
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:47,400
actual encounters with the the AH cuman

797
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,230
occupants are the people that are said

798
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:52,260
to be piloting the the vehicles and they

799
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,730
get off the ship and they'll talk to

800
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:55,080
someone and they'll claim to be from

801
00:34:00,500 --> 00:33:57,929
like you know New York City or Europe or

802
00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:00,510
something but there's that didn't happen

803
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,630
this was all happening well before

804
00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:04,860
dirigibles were really taking to the

805
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,750
skies so you know I've heard people sort

806
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:11,700
of conspiracy theorists posit that maybe

807
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:13,409
this was like the government testing

808
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:15,149
some sort of aircraft or something like

809
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:16,770
that but you know when you get into

810
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:19,619
those eighteen hundred's reports that

811
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:21,480
starts to make you scratch your head

812
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:24,659
well especially because I think it was

813
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:28,740
in Britain but back and I think it was

814
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:32,010
prior to 1890 there was a report and a

815
00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:34,350
lot of people saw this airship they

816
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,909
called I just may have called it

817
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:37,800
something else ghost ship or something

818
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,280
like that

819
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,619
but a bright light shot down to the

820
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:43,020
ground and everybody reported that and

821
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:45,060
you know they didn't have the technology

822
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:47,010
at that time to do something like that

823
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:50,129
which is that's something that's

824
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:51,690
something that Linda talks about

825
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:53,730
actually in the Hudson Valley flap was

826
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,530
that and this is like 1913 I can't I

827
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,660
don't remember the exact date Linda

828
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:03,359
gifts but they were these they were

829
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:05,340
shining these bright lights while

830
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,730
they're flying across the sky and Linda

831
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,400
relates that farmers and and people

832
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:13,200
living in the area would look out their

833
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,460
window in the middle of the night and

834
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,980
there would be these ships moving above

835
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:19,440
their fields with these lights like

836
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,690
combing combing the ground and this is

837
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:24,000
you know the very early nineteen notice

838
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:27,630
the earliest days of the 20th century so

839
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:29,850
it seems to to sort of point to

840
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,970
something a little more unusual than an

841
00:35:36,789 --> 00:35:34,160
experimental craft

842
00:35:38,799 --> 00:35:36,799
right and I think she also talks about

843
00:35:43,089 --> 00:35:38,809
maybe it's not her but someone does

844
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:43,099
about beings on top of a craft standing

845
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:46,369
her top and waiting oh yeah if I I've

846
00:35:50,109 --> 00:35:48,530
heard that story but I don't think that

847
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:50,119
was one that she told what what's

848
00:35:55,299 --> 00:35:51,890
interesting to about those airship waves

849
00:35:58,809 --> 00:35:55,309
is that there's some some similarities

850
00:36:01,029 --> 00:35:58,819
to the black triangles or even just even

851
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:01,039
just like the the Phoenix lights where

852
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:03,140
they you know they're obviously some of

853
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:04,460
this is gonna be because these are

854
00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:06,650
airships and they were moving slower but

855
00:36:10,089 --> 00:36:08,780
there's there similarities between the

856
00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:10,099
airships and the black triangles and

857
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:11,390
that they start in one area and they

858
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:13,970
just sort of like move over a location

859
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,390
as if they want to be seen you know that

860
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:19,520
that's that was always what was so

861
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:22,130
unusual about the Phoenix lights to me

862
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:27,200
is that if I think dr. p-type said that

863
00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:29,990
it looked like a parade more than

864
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:31,640
anything like they were wanting to be

865
00:36:35,289 --> 00:36:33,650
noticed and some people would argue that

866
00:36:36,609 --> 00:36:35,299
that's the way that the airships were

867
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:36,619
you know it wasn't like they were trying

868
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:38,450
to stay it wasn't like the airships were

869
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:40,250
trying to stay hidden they were you know

870
00:36:44,349 --> 00:36:42,410
they were very bold about the fact that

871
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:44,359
they're flying around out there and and

872
00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:46,369
people can interact with them and see

873
00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:48,920
them at night and and I would say I

874
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:50,779
would argue that in a lot of cases it

875
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:51,950
seems like the black triangles

876
00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:53,569
especially in the Hudson Valley area

877
00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:55,160
again the Hudson Valley comes up a lot

878
00:37:00,519 --> 00:36:57,349
mostly because I'm fascinated by those

879
00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:00,529
cases but also because it's I feel like

880
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:03,380
the Hudson Valley UFO stuff is

881
00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:06,200
overlooked a lot these days and I think

882
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:07,190
it was really important

883
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:08,510
do you follow gee I don't know if you

884
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:09,650
would agree with that or not well I

885
00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:11,180
think there were tens of thousands of

886
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,069
people that saw something it wasn't just

887
00:37:18,789 --> 00:37:15,680
like a few yeah yes a lot a lot of

888
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,799
witnesses yeah and um but but that was

889
00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:21,680
something I concluded I came to while I

890
00:37:25,299 --> 00:37:23,390
was editing the series actually it was

891
00:37:27,819 --> 00:37:25,309
just the the strange similarities

892
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:27,829
between the airship waves and the black

893
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:30,200
triangle waves and how the behavior of

894
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:32,569
the craft actually seems very similar

895
00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:35,450
eerily eerily similar in some situations

896
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,069
right right yeah I don't know I just

897
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:42,079
loved the early cases and you know I

898
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:44,180
have Dave Marlowe's gonna be on next

899
00:37:47,350 --> 00:37:45,710
week we're not going to be talking about

900
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,360
black triangles

901
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:49,520
we may touch on a little bit but you

902
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:51,650
know he's the go-to for that and I don't

903
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:53,960
have his book oh you know yeah I do that

904
00:37:59,830 --> 00:37:56,960
the first sighting of a of a triangle

905
00:38:04,270 --> 00:37:59,840
was in the late 19th century I do

906
00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:04,280
believe I think we might have referenced

907
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:05,660
it I can't remember it's been a while

908
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:07,910
since I edited episode 2 we might have

909
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:10,340
referenced that sighting because

910
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:12,770
Alejandro actually talked about Marlar

911
00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:14,780
and and the work she had he had done

912
00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:16,670
during his interview so I'm not sure if

913
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:20,060
you few reference that or not but yeah

914
00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:22,130
that that to me is really intriguing as

915
00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:24,470
well just the idea that black triangles

916
00:38:28,930 --> 00:38:27,500
might have been around long before you

917
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:28,940
know like most people credit them as

918
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:31,970
showing up in the in the 80s and 90s it

919
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:34,010
would be really fascinating if you could

920
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:35,780
track down sightings from from that far

921
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:37,100
back yeah

922
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:38,930
yeah I saw that Alejandro was in there

923
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:40,610
and out there they keep asking me how he

924
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:42,530
is I've talked a little bit about him

925
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:44,210
last week and he's just taking a little

926
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:47,090
break from the UFO scene for the most

927
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:50,840
part but he'll probably will be back but

928
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,410
he's just he's concentrating on doing

929
00:38:57,970 --> 00:38:56,240
something different and you know

930
00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:57,980
hopefully we'll have him back he says he

931
00:39:02,650 --> 00:38:59,810
is paying attention to the UFO headlines

932
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:02,660
though so but he's doing really well for

933
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:05,090
all those out there that wonder how he's

934
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:07,880
doing and I did see him you know I see

935
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:09,650
how we said it in into most of the

936
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:13,640
episodes isn't he yeah he's in I think I

937
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:15,770
think the the real like mouthpieces for

938
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:17,570
the series end up being David Weatherly

939
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,250
Alejandro man those two were in almost

940
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,520
every episode Linda is in I think five

941
00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:28,640
or six of the eight so it's it really is

942
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:30,470
pretty pretty heavy there they're

943
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:32,990
featured you know and I know going into

944
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:34,970
it who I think is going to end up being

945
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:38,030
that sort of figure so I knew because of

946
00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:39,470
how knowledgeable he is about the

947
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:40,790
history of the whole thing I kind of

948
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:42,260
knew going into it that he would be

949
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:44,930
featured pretty heavily so when he we

950
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,460
interviewed him for like two and a half

951
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,800
three hours which for us is a very long

952
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,480
period of time are you our interviews

953
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:51,680
don't usually last that long

954
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:54,350
but um I made sure to hit pretty much

955
00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:55,640
everything I mean he talked about

956
00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:57,560
contactees he talked about

957
00:40:01,870 --> 00:39:59,900
you know the black triangles airships he

958
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:01,880
talked about pretty much everything yeah

959
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:04,790
yeah no he's great he's really got a lot

960
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:07,550
of knowledge there and you said there

961
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:08,930
was did you say there were 30 people

962
00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:13,250
interviewed totally and I think I think

963
00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:15,470
the total number that we interviewed is

964
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:18,200
like 29 but you know there's a couple

965
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:20,150
people that that were in there that

966
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:21,890
there was actually an interview that was

967
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:24,050
shot with with a guy named Mark Muncie

968
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,750
who's an author in Florida and uh his

969
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,640
interview got scrapped because the audio

970
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:30,560
got destroyed while we were in the

971
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:37,100
Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania it's

972
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:39,140
frustrating yeah oh absolutely

973
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:42,530
yeah we've had our we've had our audio

974
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:44,060
problems on this show too

975
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:46,520
it just does happened and when you're

976
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:49,090
live it's a you know not that one shot

977
00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:52,070
what would you say is your the favorite

978
00:40:59,110 --> 00:40:55,100
case of yours that you looked into for

979
00:41:00,820 --> 00:40:59,120
this for this series yeah um yeah I mean

980
00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:00,830
I think it does come back to like dan

981
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,360
Wiese but we already talked about that

982
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:04,400
one so it's probably going to be the

983
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:07,930
Gary triberg from from the Hudson Valley

984
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:11,690
and what's really frustrating again

985
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:12,890
about the fact that there's only eight

986
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:14,810
episodes in the series that Gary could

987
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:16,730
have had a whole episode like just for

988
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,350
himself to talk about all the things

989
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:20,000
that have that have happened to him

990
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:22,790
because he he alludes to it in in the

991
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:26,930
abduction episode that that what he

992
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:28,760
talks about in that episode is just one

993
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:32,000
small facet of what's gone on in his

994
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:36,170
life he had I don't know if that's here

995
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:38,120
or on your end but don't write yes

996
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:42,170
they're coming to get me no Gary Gary

997
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:46,580
when he was a kid was was seeing craft

998
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:49,730
on above this hill outside of his

999
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,210
parents house in upstate New York

1000
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:54,560
specifically the Hudson Valley area and

1001
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,930
um there was a gravel quarry and there

1002
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:58,640
were multiple instances where he saw

1003
00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:01,940
this craft sort of hovering above above

1004
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:05,120
the forest up on the on the quarry and

1005
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:08,119
one time him and his dad walked

1006
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,790
to see because this is all his craft and

1007
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:12,560
they walked up together to get a closer

1008
00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:14,150
look and I guess about halfway up his

1009
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:16,820
dad turned him home and said he'd go

1010
00:42:24,130 --> 00:42:20,210
back home and Gary went home and his dad

1011
00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:24,140
was gone for hours and that that part of

1012
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:26,359
the story is really unusual but it's

1013
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:29,270
what happens next is so much more

1014
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:30,890
unusual and this did not make it into

1015
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:32,450
that episode because it's so bizarre I

1016
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:34,430
could not find a way to put this in

1017
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:35,810
there and have it make sense for the

1018
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:38,060
audience and I'm probably gonna do a

1019
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:40,190
terrible job of recalling this but

1020
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,400
basically Gary after that instance where

1021
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:45,500
he saw that the UFO above the gravel

1022
00:42:52,089 --> 00:42:48,140
quarry as a kid he went into the woods

1023
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:52,099
one day and encountered a man who was

1024
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:54,710
wearing coveralls and was about four

1025
00:43:01,930 --> 00:42:59,119
feet tall and the man had a cartoon face

1026
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:01,940
this is how Gary recalls it guy the guy

1027
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:04,580
had a like a cartoon face or something

1028
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:08,420
like that and but Gary seems to believe

1029
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:11,300
that that instance incident was sort of

1030
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:14,390
either up you know like maybe a memory

1031
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:15,770
that was planted in his head or

1032
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:17,240
something and he believes that that was

1033
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:19,190
potentially the first time he was

1034
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:24,740
abducted and years later Gary would and

1035
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:28,609
this is actually in episode 7 Gary does

1036
00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:31,430
believe he had an instance of abduction

1037
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:33,800
or missing time in which he was he was

1038
00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:35,930
driving to the to the grocery store or

1039
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:37,400
something to get beer in the middle of

1040
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:40,550
the night and halfway there he started

1041
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:42,410
noticing his car was being followed by a

1042
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:47,570
light in the sky and he comes he's

1043
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:49,160
coming on this back road he comes around

1044
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,260
a bend in the road and all of a sudden

1045
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,640
the craft is down in the middle of the

1046
00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:56,240
road in like two three hours later he

1047
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,700
wakes up or comes to or whatever you

1048
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:00,560
want to call it not knowing what

1049
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:03,740
happened to the hours prior he didn't

1050
00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:05,030
even realize how much time had passed

1051
00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:06,950
and so he drives into town and goes to

1052
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:08,180
the grocery store and walks in and

1053
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:10,310
realizes they're closing he had left

1054
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:12,410
home like he had left home like 8

1055
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:13,880
o'clock and it was now almost midnight

1056
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:17,240
something like that and um realizes all

1057
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:19,990
this times past goes home

1058
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:23,890
and then later he would have some some

1059
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,960
things happen physically he was waking

1060
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,670
he woke up with scoop marks on the back

1061
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:30,160
of his neck which he was he actually

1062
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:34,060
showed to us he had one day he was out

1063
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:37,810
fixing his car and he started feeling

1064
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:40,330
dampness on his leg he looked down and

1065
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:43,330
there was blood seeping through his his

1066
00:44:47,849 --> 00:44:45,700
pants not there wasn't a rip it was like

1067
00:44:50,070 --> 00:44:47,859
blood was was coming out of his pants he

1068
00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:50,080
goes inside he drops his pants and he's

1069
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:54,369
got a massive scoot mark in his leg that

1070
00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:57,160
almost looks cauterized where blood is

1071
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,180
now pulling inside of and then he

1072
00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:02,560
started getting and then he started

1073
00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:04,060
waking up with nosebleeds

1074
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:06,369
with with dried blood all around his

1075
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:10,630
face and um and I guess one of these

1076
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,750
times he woke up with with the nosebleed

1077
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:16,000
he went into his children's room the

1078
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:17,980
next morning he had three twins and then

1079
00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:22,330
his wife also had a son Wow

1080
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:25,060
and when they went into the bedroom all

1081
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:27,700
four of these kids had blood coming out

1082
00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:30,070
of their nose so the triplets and in the

1083
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:32,080
little boy had blood coming out of their

1084
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:33,580
nose well it was really strange about

1085
00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:36,430
that to me and this is one this probably

1086
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:40,349
points to a larger a larger you know

1087
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:43,390
statement about experiencers and how

1088
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:44,950
they all react differently to what

1089
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:47,830
happens to them but Shannon was really

1090
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:50,830
curious if Gary how Gary felt about that

1091
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:52,690
you know because now your home's being

1092
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,849
invaded your children are being brought

1093
00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:57,040
into this how do you feel about it and

1094
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:00,910
he was very I don't know how to put it I

1095
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:03,160
don't know how to put it right he he

1096
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:05,650
wasn't and if this was me I'd be angry

1097
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,410
you know I'd be very very angry at want

1098
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:09,760
to know what's happening I'd want to

1099
00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:10,540
protect my children

1100
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,260
his was his reaction wasn't anger it was

1101
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:16,660
it was more of a sort of like acceptance

1102
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:19,810
of what's happening and I thought that

1103
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:23,080
was really an interesting dichotomy with

1104
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:25,630
how you would expect him to to react to

1105
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:26,530
something like that

1106
00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:29,589
but what I just said is honestly barely

1107
00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:32,109
barely scraping the surface of all the

1108
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:32,920
things that

1109
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:34,840
that he told us about while we were in

1110
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:36,610
there his interview went for about 45

1111
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:38,710
minutes and it was really him just sort

1112
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:40,540
of recalling all these things that that

1113
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:42,430
happened he recalled his mom having

1114
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:45,340
sightings outside of their house as a

1115
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:51,550
child of lights and sky he recalled he

1116
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:53,860
recalled it his his I believe it was his

1117
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:56,050
mom came into his room when he was a kid

1118
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:00,640
and and um well maybe it was him maybe

1119
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:02,620
maybe he recalled going into his

1120
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:04,150
children's room and seeing something in

1121
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,580
the room that in the middle of the night

1122
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,200
so whatever whatever the case might be

1123
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:10,000
it was is pretty obvious that whatever

1124
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:13,510
it happened to him had never stopped and

1125
00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:16,810
seemed to be generational wow wow that's

1126
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:17,500
really interesting

1127
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,290
well I have to tell you well first of

1128
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,280
all I'm gonna tell something a little

1129
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:22,720
personal about myself that I've never

1130
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:25,930
really talked about and but it's nice

1131
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:29,860
and that is uh well it all started I

1132
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:33,850
went into staples local staples to do

1133
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:35,650
some work on an appraisal that I'm doing

1134
00:47:43,050 --> 00:47:40,350
basically for the antiques world and the

1135
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:43,060
girl at the counter said oh I like your

1136
00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:45,460
lighthouse that you have for your logo

1137
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:47,320
what made you choose a lighthouse and I

1138
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:49,030
said well I said it's an interesting

1139
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:51,630
story my father was a lighthouse keeper

1140
00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:55,330
in the Coast Guard and he was lonely a

1141
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,670
place called a whale back light in

1142
00:48:03,030 --> 00:47:59,680
Kittery Maine he was very lonely was

1143
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,040
from Georgia and so he's out there all

1144
00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:05,440
alone for like a long stretch at a time

1145
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:08,920
so he would call the operator just for

1146
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:11,590
someone to talk to and he met the

1147
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:13,330
operator and fell in love with her and

1148
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:16,930
that was my mother so it's quite a story

1149
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:18,310
so I told her that story and she said oh

1150
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:19,810
that's great she goes hey have you gone

1151
00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:21,580
to the local lighthouse out here and I

1152
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:24,280
said yeah I've been there it's it's

1153
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:25,930
quite nice and she says did you know

1154
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:29,370
it's haunted and I said it's Owls Head

1155
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:31,870
Lighthouse that I guess it has a story

1156
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:35,200
of being haunted so I said no I didn't

1157
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,190
know that and anyway so she goes well I

1158
00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:42,400
said wow you know guess what I do a show

1159
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,860
on UFOs and so she started to tell me

1160
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,260
the story and it was

1161
00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:49,200
interesting I love hearing UFO stories

1162
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:51,030
from people that don't really pay

1163
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:53,550
attention to the UFO topic and they had

1164
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:56,070
an experience and they are probably

1165
00:49:00,080 --> 00:48:57,750
telling the experience for maybe a

1166
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:00,090
couple of times in their life or

1167
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,120
whatever or anyway it's always

1168
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:05,340
interesting and she said something along

1169
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:09,420
the lines of basically describing what

1170
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:11,820
she saw which was some type of craft and

1171
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,190
lights and and then her parents seeing

1172
00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:16,680
it but then her parents the next day had

1173
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:19,620
no idea and she said it was almost like

1174
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,200
they didn't know the time had gone by

1175
00:49:26,330 --> 00:49:24,540
and it's again it's like the missing

1176
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,340
time you mentioned that that's kind of

1177
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,710
whatever yeah a lot of people talk about

1178
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:30,900
this missing time thing which i think is

1179
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:34,370
fascinating it's it's not well his

1180
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,100
unusually you can go yeah his historic

1181
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,260
geary story really reminded me of Barry

1182
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:42,780
Clark who we interviewed for our

1183
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:45,510
invasion on Chestnut Ridge movie back in

1184
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:50,310
in 2007 teeny Barry had very similar

1185
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:54,030
occurrences to Gary um almost eerily so

1186
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:55,770
in that he was driving somewhere one

1187
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,950
night sees a light and sky wakes up

1188
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:00,480
hours later doesn't know what happened

1189
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,050
and then starts suffering from physical

1190
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:06,800
effects after the fact you know and and

1191
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,550
Barry Clark was a major UFO case

1192
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:13,680
investigator in the 1970s with Stan

1193
00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:15,450
Gordon he was one of Stan Gordon's like

1194
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:19,320
right-hand guys and uh bearberry

1195
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:22,740
was so studious and in documenting

1196
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:25,800
things that happen to him he had file

1197
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:28,560
cabinets full of cases he had looked

1198
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,390
into and when all of this started

1199
00:50:34,070 --> 00:50:32,520
happening it drove him out of the field

1200
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:34,080
to the point where he burned all of his

1201
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:36,300
files the this stuff this stuff that

1202
00:50:40,850 --> 00:50:39,450
happened to him was so traumatic and I

1203
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,860
mean this was the only time we've ever

1204
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:42,660
had this happened he actually shut yet

1205
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:45,690
he had to shut off the cameras and he

1206
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:47,250
told us like all these things that had

1207
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,020
happened he didn't want to document it

1208
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:51,300
and I'm not permitted obviously to tell

1209
00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:53,550
what happened to him but it was one of

1210
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:55,950
the more disturbing interviews I've ever

1211
00:50:58,940 --> 00:50:57,030
been a part of because you could

1212
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,950
immediately see how much it

1213
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:01,200
I've affected him emotionally and

1214
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:03,810
mentally even to that day wow it's

1215
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,849
amazing in the scoop marks you talked

1216
00:51:10,819 --> 00:51:08,099
about that's something you do hear quite

1217
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,829
a bit about it's not unusual we're

1218
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:12,240
actually going into a real break this

1219
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:15,660
time so when we come back about a half

1220
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,910
hour into the next segment we're going

1221
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:20,400
to be taking phone calls so that number

1222
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:23,730
if you want to write it down is let's

1223
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:27,480
see it's eight five five four seven two

1224
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,630
five four eight three and again we'll be

1225
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:32,520
doing that about a half hour in and my

1226
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:35,490
guest tonight is Seth Breedlove and

1227
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,410
we'll be right back right after these

1228
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,160
messages

1229
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:41,040
all right everyone welcome back to the

1230
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:43,650
show my guest tonight is Seth Breedlove

1231
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:47,190
and we are talking about his series

1232
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:51,839
called on the trail of UFOs and so what

1233
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,230
other on the trail series do you have on

1234
00:52:00,440 --> 00:51:57,359
the trail of Bigfoot I can see that one

1235
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,450
yeah it's it's funny because the the

1236
00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:02,880
idea behind the entire on the trail of

1237
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,950
concept is kind of changed originally on

1238
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,720
the trail of each season was gonna focus

1239
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:08,220
on a different subject so the first

1240
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,770
season was all about the lake monster

1241
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,200
champ that said to that oh yeah reside

1242
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:16,319
in Lake Champlain and then from there we

1243
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:18,089
need to on the trail a Bigfoot but it's

1244
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,950
gonna morph now because on the trail of

1245
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:21,540
Bigfoots about to pick up a season two

1246
00:52:25,579 --> 00:52:23,700
and that's going to be happening at the

1247
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,589
same time that on the trail of the Lake

1248
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:27,480
Michigan Mothman which is a special

1249
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:28,619
event that's probably going to be around

1250
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,030
90 minutes will come out so it's

1251
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:32,640
basically morphing into its own sort of

1252
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:35,640
sub sub sect of small town monsters it's

1253
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:37,980
it's basically our our way to do

1254
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:40,440
episodic storytelling we'd really like

1255
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,970
to do a second season along the trail of

1256
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:44,099
UFOs so what we're looking to do

1257
00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:45,660
eventually is get to the point where we

1258
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,069
would have like on the trail a Bigfoot

1259
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,720
running on the trail if I was running

1260
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,599
and then another on the trail of sort of

1261
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,000
series each year and that's addition to

1262
00:52:58,099 --> 00:52:56,520
the film's we put out so there's a lot a

1263
00:53:02,109 --> 00:52:58,109
lot in her future but yeah on the trail

1264
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:02,119
a Bigfoot was sort of the one that that

1265
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,359
propelled the entire idea forward and

1266
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:08,160
that came out last year and it's at like

1267
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:10,230
four million people have watched on the

1268
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:11,220
trail of Bigfoots

1269
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:13,710
that's that's what really helped set

1270
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:16,200
that path for us I know this isn't about

1271
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,270
UFOs but I I'm still a little bit

1272
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:21,440
fascinated about the lake champlain

1273
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,710
uh-huh

1274
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,720
did you find anything interesting

1275
00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:26,520
anything too interesting come out of

1276
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,030
that well I that's actually the only SDM

1277
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:31,920
project I didn't direct I produced that

1278
00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:35,130
but um what alexander pedagogue who

1279
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,560
directed it put in the series that i

1280
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,359
thought was most compelling was the

1281
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:42,540
where the petroglyphs that they found in

1282
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:44,430
the river one of the rivers that feeds

1283
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,440
into lake champlain they actually found

1284
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,780
these petroglyphs that were would have

1285
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:51,599
been done centuries ago by local native

1286
00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:54,590
tribes that clearly depict some sort of

1287
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:57,630
plesiosaur looking creature and I

1288
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,630
thought that alone was a pretty strong

1289
00:54:04,359 --> 00:54:02,700
piece of evidence for the existence of

1290
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:04,369
something at some point in history

1291
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:07,710
having been in that area am i hearing

1292
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:08,460
music

1293
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,050
is all the rock yes you mentioned our

1294
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,660
lovely Town Square clock okay yeah you

1295
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:18,119
can't do much about that I was actually

1296
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,730
stranded on Lake Champlain I had an

1297
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,460
antique boat that had an engine trouble

1298
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,160
so I was staying in a hotel on the lake

1299
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,980
and it was four o'clock in the morning

1300
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,440
by the time I got back and I was lost I

1301
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,119
got totally lost in the middle of the

1302
00:54:37,099 --> 00:54:35,040
night out there and I started some

1303
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:37,109
masses I started thinking about that

1304
00:54:44,060 --> 00:54:40,710
lake monster yeah but are there actually

1305
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:44,070
people that have taken pictures or I

1306
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:47,010
don't recall okay I mean I think I think

1307
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,170
it's like a Bigfoot or anything you know

1308
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:51,780
there are a number of purported

1309
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:54,330
photographs of what people claim is

1310
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,839
champ

1311
00:55:00,320 --> 00:54:57,240
none of them entirely convincing you

1312
00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:00,330
know it's like anything that the best

1313
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:01,080
evidence

1314
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:03,150
it's like UFOs or Bigfoot the best

1315
00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:04,770
evidence comes down to the fact that

1316
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:07,790
you've got these very believable

1317
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:10,710
perfectly reasonable rational people who

1318
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:12,810
will tell you they saw something and I

1319
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:15,320
weirdly enough I mean we made a movie

1320
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:19,410
near Lake Champlain back in 2016

1321
00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:23,099
actually filmed in 2015 called the Beast

1322
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:24,320
of Whitehall

1323
00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:26,990
and Whitehall is this tiny town that's

1324
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:28,580
actually the birthplace of the US Navy

1325
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,940
it sits right on the banks of Lake

1326
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:34,400
Champlain and the Champlain canal runs

1327
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:35,690
right through the middle of the town but

1328
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:37,250
we made a movie about a Bigfoot sighting

1329
00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:39,170
there that happened in the 70s while we

1330
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:40,700
were making this Bigfoot movie we kept

1331
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:41,870
to having people come up and tell us

1332
00:55:46,990 --> 00:55:45,050
about their camp their champ encounters

1333
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:47,000
and that was sort of actually the first

1334
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:48,350
time I thought we need to do a movie

1335
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,380
about champ but yeah there's there's a

1336
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:52,880
lot of witnesses a lot of people still

1337
00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:54,740
claiming to see something in there you

1338
00:56:00,810 --> 00:55:58,910
know today but nothing super believable

1339
00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:00,820
in the way of photographic evidence

1340
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:04,820
right right you know I can ask you this

1341
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:07,420
when you have done all these different

1342
00:56:10,540 --> 00:56:09,410
series and looked into all these

1343
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:10,550
different things where they're

1344
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:13,490
crossovers where you know the same place

1345
00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:15,530
that you you just mentioned kind of a

1346
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:18,080
cross over there with the champ

1347
00:56:21,070 --> 00:56:19,880
you know people seeing him but where

1348
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:21,080
there are other crossovers between

1349
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:23,180
Bigfoot and UFOs you kind of hear that

1350
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:26,330
sometimes I think that the biggest is is

1351
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:28,370
actually the Chestnut Ridge we're

1352
00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:30,290
staying in Gordon is because you've got

1353
00:56:35,590 --> 00:56:32,840
so much strange activity taking place up

1354
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:35,600
there and we we I don't know if it's

1355
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:36,830
just that the Chestnut Ridge is

1356
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:39,050
relatively close to where I live but we

1357
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:40,970
can't seem to escape it we made this

1358
00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:43,610
movie in 2017 called invasion on

1359
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:45,350
Chestnut Ridge which was actually a

1360
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:48,410
massive flop but for some reason it's

1361
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:50,630
like it's like the movie that everyone I

1362
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:52,550
talked to really loves and for some

1363
00:56:57,940 --> 00:56:54,910
reason I feel like it's one of our best

1364
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:57,950
it's there's there's people in Hollywood

1365
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,810
I've spoken to who found us because of

1366
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:02,240
that movie so it's it's a weird thing

1367
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:04,670
but we we made that movie in 2017 and

1368
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:07,160
then we went back in 2018 and shot

1369
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:08,990
episodes of on the trail of Bigfoot and

1370
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,930
then this year we shot more fur fur on

1371
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:14,000
the trail of UFOs and it's a place where

1372
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:18,680
you've got a confluence of very strange

1373
00:57:23,770 --> 00:57:21,350
paranormal / youth illogical /

1374
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:23,780
cryptozoological activity all taking

1375
00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:28,300
place in one location but that Whitehall

1376
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:31,340
Bennington Triangle upstate New York

1377
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:33,320
you know the Adirondacks stretching up

1378
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:35,060
into like a Vermont and Connecticut

1379
00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:36,730
there's a lot of really

1380
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,560
activity that happens up there to where

1381
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:41,200
you get you know UFOs and Bigfoot seen

1382
00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:42,190
together the strangest thing about

1383
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:45,700
Whitehall is you have it's it's

1384
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:47,770
everything while we were there we spoke

1385
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:50,290
to Bigfoot witnesses the Whitehall case

1386
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:52,390
is one of the more famous Bigfoot cases

1387
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:54,550
but you've also got champ right down the

1388
00:57:59,330 --> 00:57:55,930
road and then while we were there we had

1389
00:58:02,250 --> 00:57:59,340
these police officers tell us about

1390
00:58:05,850 --> 00:58:02,260
seeing a what they claim is a

1391
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:05,860
pterodactyl sit in a tree right down the

1392
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:07,930
road from a bear road which is sort of

1393
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:09,430
the location that this really famous a

1394
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:09,970
Bigfoot

1395
00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:13,750
you know sighting but that's that's

1396
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:16,540
those two places are the ones that seem

1397
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:18,430
to have the most of that sort of

1398
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:20,650
activity that we've been to or we've

1399
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:23,290
made films on and the Chestnut Ridge you

1400
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:25,330
there's so much to explore with the

1401
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:26,560
Chestnut Ridge that I've kicked around

1402
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:28,630
the idea of doing an entire episodic

1403
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:31,390
series just hanging out with Stan Gordon

1404
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:33,130
as he takes us through all that crazy

1405
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:35,740
stuff he's investigated we met up at

1406
00:58:41,070 --> 00:58:38,920
like a year ago at a con somewhere and

1407
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:41,080
and the first thing he says when he sits

1408
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:43,630
down is he sits down and goes well now

1409
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,610
now I'm getting reports from a local

1410
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:47,440
police officer of this creature with no

1411
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,720
head it's got eyes in the middle of its

1412
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:52,720
chest and no arms and I'm just like yeah

1413
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:56,380
I mean why wouldn't you sure like every

1414
00:59:00,090 --> 00:58:57,880
time I talk to Stan he's got something

1415
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:00,100
you know something insane he's he's

1416
00:59:04,890 --> 00:59:02,410
looking into on the ridges and it's

1417
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:04,900
never surprising yeah all Stan's great

1418
00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:06,130
he's been on the show a number of times

1419
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:09,400
and he does uh he actually does a great

1420
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:12,010
job and he's he's he's not a BS guy I

1421
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:13,630
mean you just know he doesn't try to

1422
00:59:21,780 --> 00:59:18,640
steer anyone any certain way we had I I

1423
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:21,790
love for his work on Kecksburg which is

1424
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:23,620
still a mystery some people say it was

1425
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,670
you know I forget exactly what I had

1426
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:29,200
someone on that there was a little bit

1427
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:31,810
of a debate on on what the object

1428
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:34,600
actually was but yeah he's always great

1429
00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:37,180
he's good with stories about everything

1430
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:39,670
that are happened yeah I can understand

1431
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:43,780
what ya wanna do that yeah so what are

1432
00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:45,670
some of the other places you ended up

1433
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,630
traveling to and

1434
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:50,480
talk from the you know some other cases

1435
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:53,640
yeah for this for this series we we

1436
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,730
started in so the first trip actually

1437
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:59,040
took us to Nevada in Arizona and we

1438
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:00,420
started in Phoenix

1439
01:00:06,130 --> 01:00:04,110
we interviewed dr. Keith I about the the

1440
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:06,140
Phoenix lights and then we interviewed a

1441
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:10,890
another I don't know if you can quantify

1442
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:13,980
as what he experienced as an abduction

1443
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:17,520
but Donovan we interviewed in Phoenix as

1444
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:19,260
well and Donovan had this really unusual

1445
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:21,210
incident that happened to him he's a kid

1446
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,550
he woke up in the middle of the night he

1447
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,140
went to get out of bed to go to the

1448
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:27,420
bathroom and this strange like green

1449
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:31,650
mist appeared under his bed and he felt

1450
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:33,180
like it was trying to grab him and keep

1451
01:00:40,220 --> 01:00:37,670
him in place he jumped back into bed and

1452
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:40,230
the next day he was told by a friend of

1453
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:42,270
school that they had seen a UFO hovering

1454
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:45,660
over his house roughly around the same

1455
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:46,980
time that this would have happened to

1456
01:00:54,350 --> 01:00:51,540
him and that that story is relayed much

1457
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:54,360
better by him in in episode 7 of on the

1458
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:55,890
trail of UFOs but that was sort of the

1459
01:00:59,720 --> 01:00:58,290
first stop of that trip was Phoenix

1460
01:01:01,850 --> 01:00:59,730
where we interviewed those two people

1461
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,860
and Alejandro actually we did

1462
01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:04,050
Alejandro's interviewing Phoenix as well

1463
01:01:08,810 --> 01:01:07,080
and then we did Sedona we traveled to

1464
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:08,820
Sedona while we were in Sedona we

1465
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:15,470
interviewed Ron Ron Rudd year and Malala

1466
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:19,260
Malala was actually a tribal elder we're

1467
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:23,070
not allowed to state who his tribe is

1468
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,810
but it's pretty obvious I mean if you

1469
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:26,400
watch the episode it's pretty obvious

1470
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:30,330
who he's talking about and their stories

1471
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,010
were both Ron is one of my favorite

1472
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:34,440
people as far as like the the way that

1473
01:01:39,050 --> 01:01:36,870
way he's so old-school about everything

1474
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:39,060
and just just sort of his recollections

1475
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:41,970
of working on the radar when when like

1476
01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:43,170
the Phoenix lights happened the

1477
01:01:47,060 --> 01:01:45,150
satellite array that he was he was

1478
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:47,070
actually tasked with operating at that

1479
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,930
time he was aware of what was happening

1480
01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:51,660
in Phoenix when it was happening he was

1481
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:53,990
actually tracking the Phoenix lights

1482
01:01:59,660 --> 01:01:56,910
from this geosynchronous satellite that

1483
01:02:00,130 --> 01:01:59,670
he was actually that was his job at the

1484
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:00,140
time

1485
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:01,850
to monitor this satellite and they were

1486
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:03,170
actually able to track the Phoenix

1487
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:05,980
lights he also was involved in tracking

1488
01:02:16,210 --> 01:02:10,250
Tehran Iran UFO that that occurred as

1489
01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:16,220
well I was yeah so both of those we

1490
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:17,870
really should just back up just a little

1491
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:19,910
bit for the new listener yeah I think it

1492
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:22,280
was something like March 13th there's

1493
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:25,220
something like that 1997 the Phoenix the

1494
01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:29,030
Phoenix lights and and ongoing you know

1495
01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:30,920
a lot of people have reported has seeing

1496
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:35,080
something similar but some people have

1497
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,990
including Peter Davenport has gotten

1498
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:40,640
calls that night and people were

1499
01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:42,770
estimating something that could have

1500
01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:46,100
been miles wide that the object was so

1501
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:50,150
big and going over but that was in more

1502
01:02:55,570 --> 01:02:53,810
than one state you said so it yeah it

1503
01:02:58,210 --> 01:02:55,580
seems like it's there and that's that's

1504
01:03:00,880 --> 01:02:58,220
where Ron came in is is where they first

1505
01:03:03,070 --> 01:03:00,890
tracked where they first saw this the

1506
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:03,080
the Phoenix lights appear on their

1507
01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:07,610
geosynchronous satellite was coming out

1508
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:11,180
over area 51 so so they see it near area

1509
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:13,160
51 for the first time is where they

1510
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:14,810
first catch a blip of this thing and

1511
01:03:20,980 --> 01:03:17,410
then they track it all the way to

1512
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:20,990
Phoenix and along the way it's

1513
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:23,690
supposedly went over Las Vegas I want

1514
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:25,370
the fur for anyone who doesn't know what

1515
01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:27,610
the Phoenix lights are it seems to

1516
01:03:32,590 --> 01:03:30,230
descriptions fairy and in terms of the

1517
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:32,600
number of lights but but the most common

1518
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:34,010
description that is is that it was

1519
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:36,770
basically seven lights in a v-formation

1520
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:42,010
that traveled across Arizona and Nevada

1521
01:03:47,830 --> 01:03:43,970
apparently according to Ron were year

1522
01:03:50,050 --> 01:03:47,840
beginning near area 51 and it travels

1523
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:50,060
down over the area and it is witnessed

1524
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:52,730
by thousands of people all across the

1525
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:54,770
area that I was actually asked recently

1526
01:04:00,430 --> 01:03:58,490
what why it's a historically significant

1527
01:04:02,530 --> 01:04:00,440
case and I said the reason it's

1528
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,540
historically significant is that we can

1529
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:04,880
still talk to this isn't like Roswell

1530
01:04:10,570 --> 01:04:07,550
where we've lost all the pertinent

1531
01:04:12,550 --> 01:04:10,580
witnesses this is we're still able to go

1532
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:12,560
talk to these people and learn from

1533
01:04:18,250 --> 01:04:15,890
if people actually do that and that that

1534
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:18,260
every year more and more witnesses are

1535
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:20,630
coming forward that claim they saw you

1536
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:22,010
know the Phoenix lights so I think it's

1537
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:25,370
important just just for that reason but

1538
01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:26,660
yeah that the lights were seeing all

1539
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:30,680
across the area they go over the the the

1540
01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:32,690
City of Phoenix they they actually hover

1541
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:34,820
over the Sky Harbor International

1542
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:37,580
Airport there they're seen on their

1543
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:41,660
radar by by air traffic controllers who

1544
01:04:45,730 --> 01:04:43,640
claim that the craft that this was

1545
01:04:47,380 --> 01:04:45,740
stated by air traffic controllers that

1546
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:47,390
the craft that was seen on radar was

1547
01:04:52,780 --> 01:04:50,570
over a mile wide so whatever this thing

1548
01:04:56,050 --> 01:04:52,790
was it was it was huge

1549
01:04:59,280 --> 01:04:56,060
it was silent and it seemed to want to

1550
01:05:03,070 --> 01:04:59,290
be seen and the event was sort of

1551
01:05:05,290 --> 01:05:03,080
laughed off by by governor Fife

1552
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:05,300
Symington who later came out as being a

1553
01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:08,960
witness of the Phoenix lights and and

1554
01:05:12,790 --> 01:05:11,030
it's gone down in history is one of the

1555
01:05:14,590 --> 01:05:12,800
most important mass sightings in US

1556
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:14,600
history yeah it was just

1557
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:17,810
I forget the was a Hale Bopp I can't

1558
01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:19,880
remember the comet yeah the hell it was

1559
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:22,460
held up yeah people outside just to

1560
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:25,190
watch that and that's why you know was

1561
01:05:29,950 --> 01:05:27,800
clear nice so nice and you know some

1562
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:29,960
people claimed that it blacked out the

1563
01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:32,960
Stars up above and and another person

1564
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:36,200
said it looked like a wave a heat wave

1565
01:05:42,790 --> 01:05:38,990
like you could see rippling you know

1566
01:05:46,090 --> 01:05:42,800
through it but still you know the the

1567
01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:46,100
fact that it was silent it was huge

1568
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:48,680
if that technology if that was military

1569
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:53,570
technology in 1997 it would be you know

1570
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,970
amazing that it wouldn't be used you

1571
01:06:00,250 --> 01:05:57,680
know somewhere somehow or we wouldn't

1572
01:06:03,010 --> 01:06:00,260
know something about it by this time I

1573
01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:03,020
would think so yeah agreed

1574
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:05,360
yeah and it's it's cool to me to just

1575
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:07,010
just from like you know like what

1576
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:08,510
interests me about all this a lot of

1577
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:10,580
times is how culturally it impacts the

1578
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:12,980
area where where the events take place

1579
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:16,790
and to see Phoenix it that that event

1580
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:20,540
has been embraced in a way by by the

1581
01:06:24,010 --> 01:06:22,490
City of Phoenix now to the point where

1582
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:24,020
the Historical Society

1583
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:27,020
has an entire exhibit sort of dedicated

1584
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:28,730
to the Phoenix lights that you can walk

1585
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:31,070
through so there's there's little things

1586
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:33,110
like that that are I think important

1587
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:34,520
just from a youthful logical sort of

1588
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:37,160
incident standpoint right I didn't even

1589
01:06:41,410 --> 01:06:39,410
know about that until I watched her film

1590
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:41,420
I didn't know they had a little Museum

1591
01:06:44,350 --> 01:06:42,020
set up

1592
01:06:46,330 --> 01:06:44,360
I didn't realize either and that's in

1593
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:46,340
that is in the Historical Society that

1594
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:49,310
is that is as that is as legitimate as

1595
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:53,060
you can get yeah there's illustrations

1596
01:06:58,300 --> 01:06:55,970
there's like there's a hanging craft you

1597
01:07:03,400 --> 01:06:58,310
know showing you know what most people

1598
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:03,410
saw thought they saw and yeah and you

1599
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:05,810
know I it is interesting that Fife

1600
01:07:10,030 --> 01:07:07,880
Symington as you mentioned you know

1601
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:10,040
first of all kind of ridiculed this

1602
01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:14,960
situation his claim with that alien you

1603
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:18,340
know that came in and you know his

1604
01:07:22,990 --> 01:07:20,630
friend or whatever came in an alien

1605
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:23,000
costume and said here's the culprit and

1606
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:25,250
all that but you know according to him

1607
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:26,630
he was trying to release the tension

1608
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:28,310
because the phone was ringing off the

1609
01:07:33,220 --> 01:07:31,160
hook and you know he had a lot of a lot

1610
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,230
of people to answer to not you wanted to

1611
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:34,640
give a shout-out to someone that's in

1612
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:38,480
the chat room right uh Gary Treiber

1613
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:42,110
who I talked about earlier was actually

1614
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,940
in there so I'm not sure he's if he's

1615
01:07:47,260 --> 01:07:45,440
still in there but yeah if Gary if

1616
01:07:49,060 --> 01:07:47,270
Gary's in there

1617
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:49,070
shout out to Gary and it was funny when

1618
01:07:53,110 --> 01:07:51,050
I met Gary we actually interviewed Gary

1619
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:53,120
for on the trail of UFOs but I had met

1620
01:07:58,690 --> 01:07:55,730
him weeks prior at the Mothman festival

1621
01:08:00,880 --> 01:07:58,700
in West Virginia which was kind of a

1622
01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:00,890
strange coincidence because I I had I

1623
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:02,870
had no idea who he was at the time and

1624
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:04,340
then I wound up interviewing him for

1625
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:06,740
something completely unrelated in a

1626
01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:09,920
state you know three states away a few

1627
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,480
weeks later so that was that was one of

1628
01:08:16,690 --> 01:08:14,000
those weird synchronicities right right

1629
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:16,700
the Mothman is another thing that is

1630
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:19,250
bizarre I know this is a show about UFOs

1631
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:21,290
but occasionally we'll talk about other

1632
01:08:26,230 --> 01:08:23,180
topics and I don't mind talking about

1633
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:26,240
that but before I ask you about that

1634
01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:29,210
what is this Bell which I don't know

1635
01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:31,609
exactly what you call it now the mark of

1636
01:08:34,530 --> 01:08:33,319
the village yeah what what is that

1637
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:34,540
exactly

1638
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:36,970
there's there was

1639
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:40,420
from the 1800s where of the bell family

1640
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:43,510
in Adams Tennessee were haunted by a

1641
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:47,580
disembodied sort of voice and

1642
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:50,410
experienced a number of strange sort of

1643
01:08:56,010 --> 01:08:53,770
poultry poultry Geist activity around

1644
01:09:00,210 --> 01:08:56,020
their home we're going to make a movie

1645
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:00,220
that examines what what that story

1646
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:02,380
entailed because it's never actually

1647
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:04,690
just been straight retold by anyone you

1648
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:06,220
have a lot of the typical like ghost

1649
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:07,480
hunting shows with people running

1650
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:10,450
through houses with night vision on but

1651
01:09:15,150 --> 01:09:13,510
no one's ever done a historical

1652
01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:15,160
documentary about that case so we're

1653
01:09:19,650 --> 01:09:16,990
gonna do that and then we're also going

1654
01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:19,660
to we thankfully made some some really

1655
01:09:25,470 --> 01:09:22,660
good contacts locally in Adams and we

1656
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:25,480
have some leads on some present day

1657
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:26,890
activity that we're really excited to

1658
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:29,500
get into as well Wow so there's a lot

1659
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,180
there's a lot to that story that we're

1660
01:09:36,810 --> 01:09:33,520
we're gonna unpack I think when we get

1661
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:36,820
into that and the Mothman so what did

1662
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:39,130
you you mentioned earlier I believe you

1663
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:40,480
said something like there was actually

1664
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:43,870
UFO sightings I didn't I did oh yeah

1665
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:47,830
yeah the the Mothman the 60s flap that

1666
01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:50,410
took place in that everyone sort of

1667
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:54,040
knows the Mothman because of the 1966

1668
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:56,140
and 67 flap that whole thing was kicked

1669
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,200
off by the injured cold woody

1670
01:10:02,130 --> 01:10:01,360
derenberger encounter I'm assuming

1671
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,140
you've heard of that

1672
01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:05,920
I have not okay I may have found it by

1673
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:07,420
something else but I don't know of that

1674
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:09,850
no yeah the grinning man as he was

1675
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:13,380
called woodrow derenberger was a

1676
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:16,540
salesman that lived in in a town called

1677
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:20,080
Mineral Wells West Virginia and he was

1678
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,370
on his way home one night from

1679
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:24,400
Parkersburg West Virginia he's driving

1680
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:27,040
down 77th south which would have been a

1681
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:29,110
two-lane highway at the time today it's

1682
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:30,970
a big highway but at the time was just

1683
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:32,650
two lane highway he's driving home he

1684
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:35,770
sees a craft in the sky craft drives

1685
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:38,290
over the highway lands next to the

1686
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:38,710
highway

1687
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:41,940
he pulls to the side of the road and a

1688
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:46,150
hatch on this craft which he described

1689
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:48,620
it as looking like an upturn door

1690
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,170
a kerosene lantern like turned on its

1691
01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:54,080
side essentially or a chimney from the

1692
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:55,640
kerosene lantern I think is how we put

1693
01:11:00,340 --> 01:10:58,280
it the hatch on the door opens and out

1694
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:00,350
steps this man that that has a very

1695
01:11:06,460 --> 01:11:04,190
eerie grin who walks toward the car and

1696
01:11:09,730 --> 01:11:06,470
telepathically communicates with woodrow

1697
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:09,740
derenberger that he is the a man named

1698
01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:12,410
Indrid cold from the planet lan ulis i

1699
01:11:19,450 --> 01:11:16,820
have this okay so so that kicks off that

1700
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:19,460
kicks off that event is actually what

1701
01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:21,290
kicks off the Mothman event and very

1702
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:23,030
often those two things are tied together

1703
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:25,190
they're not like they're they don't seem

1704
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:27,110
to have anything in common other than

1705
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,290
the fact that Mineral Wells is about an

1706
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:32,480
hour from Point Pleasant so two weird

1707
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,340
things happening in the span of like two

1708
01:11:39,790 --> 01:11:36,080
nights apparently that's enough to

1709
01:11:42,370 --> 01:11:39,800
connect them but with that UFO sighting

1710
01:11:46,210 --> 01:11:42,380
the Mothman sightings kick off obviously

1711
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:46,220
the Mothman was a six-foot tall creature

1712
01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:48,530
with a ten-foot wingspan of red eyes

1713
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:50,600
that was seen all around the Ohio Valley

1714
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:52,760
during that time period really all of

1715
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:55,070
Appalachia but what most people seem to

1716
01:12:00,160 --> 01:11:56,720
leave out of this for some unknown

1717
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:00,170
reason is that during the starting in

1718
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:02,840
like 1964 and continuing well into the

1719
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:05,380
1970s there was a pretty much endless

1720
01:12:11,710 --> 01:12:08,510
wave of UFO activity around West

1721
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:11,720
Virginia and to the point where we were

1722
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,490
making when we were making our flatwoods

1723
01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:14,960
monster movie we were in the town of

1724
01:12:19,150 --> 01:12:16,760
flower woods and flatwoods is central

1725
01:12:21,130 --> 01:12:19,160
West Virginia it is smack dab in the

1726
01:12:22,930 --> 01:12:21,140
middle of West Virginia it is as West

1727
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,940
Virginia when you think West Virginia

1728
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:25,040
this is what you're probably calling to

1729
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,880
your mind it's like back roads would you

1730
01:12:32,830 --> 01:12:31,280
know like gravel roads it's hills and

1731
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:32,840
hollers it's people living up in the

1732
01:12:36,130 --> 01:12:34,520
middle of nowhere you know they don't

1733
01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:36,140
wear shoes and drink a lot of moonshine

1734
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:38,420
and that kind of thing and when you we

1735
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:41,150
were making that movie we came to

1736
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:44,030
interview a witness who told us about

1737
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:45,050
her parents

1738
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:47,510
seeing or her grandparents actually her

1739
01:12:57,610 --> 01:12:52,070
momma and Poppa seeing UFOs almost on a

1740
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,620
nightly basis between like 1965 and 1977

1741
01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:00,080
to the point where they saw UFOs landing

1742
01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:00,960
behind there

1743
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:04,260
their barn and I and I asked her I said

1744
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:05,489
that would have been at the height of

1745
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:07,890
sort of the Mothman stuff - right 66 and

1746
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:10,890
67 she said yes that was right in right

1747
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,500
in that time period and she said that it

1748
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:15,480
wasn't just them it was people all

1749
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:16,980
around the state so a lot of people

1750
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:20,010
think during 66 and 67 when the Mothman

1751
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:22,050
sightings were going on and a lot of

1752
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:24,780
this is because of John keel and in fact

1753
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,760
like I'm sorry I'm not trying to get

1754
01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:28,920
off-track over this like my qu'il qu'il

1755
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:33,800
came to Point Pleasant to do a story on

1756
01:13:39,650 --> 01:13:36,510
UFOs being seen around West Virginia for

1757
01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:39,660
Playboy so he was in junkie John keel

1758
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:41,550
came to Point Pleasant for that reason

1759
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,230
not really to cover the Mothman it was

1760
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:45,840
because of the the UFO wave so he's

1761
01:13:49,340 --> 01:13:47,610
there covering the UFO wave and then the

1762
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:49,350
Mothman stuff starts happening and

1763
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:51,510
what's really interesting is people

1764
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:53,670
always try to tie the Mothman to like

1765
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:55,860
the Silver Bridge collapse right because

1766
01:14:01,400 --> 01:13:58,410
that yeah the Silver Bridge collapsed 47

1767
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:01,410
lives were lost you can't really do it

1768
01:14:05,780 --> 01:14:02,940
there weren't sightings of the Mothman

1769
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:05,790
over the bridge but there were sightings

1770
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:08,520
of UFOs all up and down the Ohio River

1771
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:10,680
in the days ahead of the collapse and in

1772
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:13,050
the days afterward I'm not blaming I'm

1773
01:14:16,670 --> 01:14:15,210
not blaming the UFOs for collapsing the

1774
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:16,680
bridge I'm just saying people like to

1775
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,780
draw that line but they completely leave

1776
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:20,760
out the UFO aspect of that story so

1777
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:22,170
there's there were there were major

1778
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:23,730
waves that were taking place all over

1779
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:26,670
the the region at that time to see the

1780
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:29,940
point where the Charleston I want to say

1781
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:32,370
it's the herald standard I think is the

1782
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:34,290
name of the local paper there they had a

1783
01:14:38,780 --> 01:14:37,140
beat reporter who we interviewed for the

1784
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:38,790
Mothman of Point Pleasant movie who told

1785
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:42,330
us that they had a UFO desk it was there

1786
01:14:47,690 --> 01:14:44,910
were so many reports coming in they had

1787
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:47,700
a UFO desk with a guy stationed on the

1788
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:49,560
phone to take UFO reports throughout the

1789
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:53,580
day that's Mary hyre who wrote the who

1790
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,170
took a lot of the initial Mothman

1791
01:15:00,610 --> 01:14:57,600
reports and and lived in Point Pleasant

1792
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:00,620
despite working for the Athens Ohio

1793
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:03,930
newspaper she did a newspaper column

1794
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:06,900
called where the waters mingle and it

1795
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:08,850
started out as like her little slice of

1796
01:15:13,340 --> 01:15:10,590
life column and then over time morphed

1797
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:13,350
into her just like telling people's

1798
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:14,489
weird and counter

1799
01:15:20,629 --> 01:15:17,489
stories from around the area and the

1800
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:20,639
bulk of that column became her relating

1801
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,940
UFO cases people people around the town

1802
01:15:27,739 --> 01:15:25,679
of Point Pleasant and around Gallipolis

1803
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:27,749
Ohio and all around the Ohio River

1804
01:15:35,029 --> 01:15:31,369
Valley area seeing UFOs during that

1805
01:15:38,649 --> 01:15:35,039
66-67 and into the early 70s Oh

1806
01:15:41,299 --> 01:15:38,659
what were they describing the UFOs like

1807
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:41,309
and every everything under the Sun

1808
01:15:47,979 --> 01:15:45,300
really um you had you had the the most

1809
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,989
traditional thing that we've found is

1810
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:49,800
description that we found is sort of

1811
01:15:56,629 --> 01:15:53,760
just lights in the sky but you know like

1812
01:15:59,779 --> 01:15:56,639
you had your classic flying saucers you

1813
01:16:04,879 --> 01:15:59,789
had a cigar shaped object that hovered

1814
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:04,889
was seen hovering over a school in Point

1815
01:16:12,799 --> 01:16:10,260
Pleasant you had a case from 1967 where

1816
01:16:16,209 --> 01:16:12,809
a teacher from Point Pleasant was

1817
01:16:19,129 --> 01:16:16,219
driving down the road that connects

1818
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:19,139
Point Pleasant to the the TNT Factory

1819
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,420
area which is where sort of the the

1820
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:23,280
first sightings of the Mothman took

1821
01:16:27,620 --> 01:16:25,230
place at the TNT Factory she was driving

1822
01:16:30,799 --> 01:16:27,630
down that road and claimed that she saw

1823
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:30,809
a UFO flying in the sky she saw the

1824
01:16:38,169 --> 01:16:33,110
Mothman streaked across the sky and

1825
01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:38,179
seemingly go into a door on on the UFO

1826
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,699
so during during that time period one at

1827
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:43,199
one of my favorite stories that gets

1828
01:16:47,629 --> 01:16:45,210
left out of all of this a lot is is a

1829
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:47,639
sighting that was actually related by I

1830
01:16:52,549 --> 01:16:49,710
can't remember if this is two women or

1831
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:52,559
two men that were driving down 77 North

1832
01:17:00,430 --> 01:16:55,130
the same night as woodrow derenberger

1833
01:17:06,049 --> 01:17:04,279
similarly shaped craft land on the side

1834
01:17:09,379 --> 01:17:06,059
of the road and two men and coveralls

1835
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:09,389
get out of it and that that sighting

1836
01:17:15,799 --> 01:17:12,179
would almost corroborate to some extent

1837
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,809
woodrow derenberger but that story for

1838
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:17,460
some reason it never really gets talked

1839
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:19,530
about but there you know like part of

1840
01:17:24,919 --> 01:17:21,630
the part of the problem is that keels

1841
01:17:27,529 --> 01:17:24,929
book is so disjointed and I love keel

1842
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,539
and and I love his research but that

1843
01:17:31,459 --> 01:17:29,280
book is so disjointed and it becomes

1844
01:17:36,549 --> 01:17:31,469
more about him than it does the case and

1845
01:17:39,589 --> 01:17:36,559
a lot of the details of those 60s UFO

1846
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,599
aspects of the story get sort of glossed

1847
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:41,880
over in favor of like the men in black

1848
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:44,460
and in the prophecies that he was

1849
01:17:49,759 --> 01:17:47,940
receiving Wow very interesting we are

1850
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:49,769
now taking calls I actually see the

1851
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:52,199
phone ringing we have a screener over

1852
01:17:59,169 --> 01:17:55,050
there Reysol talk to you and that phone

1853
01:18:03,259 --> 01:17:59,179
number is eight five five four seven two

1854
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:03,269
five four eight three and I see the

1855
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:04,530
phone ring and I don't see it being

1856
01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:09,960
picked up so keep calling now there it

1857
01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:12,630
goes okay so we'll have a call here and

1858
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:15,659
in just a moment that you know that

1859
01:18:23,180 --> 01:18:18,449
whole thing is fascinating I never ever

1860
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,190
heard the UFO aspect of this I've heard

1861
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:26,159
a lot about the Mothman now was as far

1862
01:18:34,219 --> 01:18:31,800
as you know was the Mothman as popular

1863
01:18:37,580 --> 01:18:34,229
before that blockbuster movie I mean

1864
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:37,590
we're not really okay yeah but I don't

1865
01:18:41,899 --> 01:18:40,289
know why because the movie was popular

1866
01:18:43,939 --> 01:18:41,909
but it wasn't popular enough where you

1867
01:18:45,919 --> 01:18:43,949
would see it rock it to this sort of

1868
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,929
like pop cultural mainstay that it's

1869
01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:47,760
becoming today so I don't know there

1870
01:18:52,879 --> 01:18:50,039
there is something about the Mothman

1871
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:52,889
story and the Mothman as a character

1872
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:57,150
quote-unquote character that has appeal

1873
01:19:01,759 --> 01:18:59,820
in ways that something like Bigfoot

1874
01:19:04,189 --> 01:19:01,769
doesn't even have anymore

1875
01:19:06,109 --> 01:19:04,199
it seems to draw the attention of a

1876
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,119
younger audience especially much more

1877
01:19:11,959 --> 01:19:08,699
than than some of the other paranormal

1878
01:19:13,549 --> 01:19:11,969
subjects that we've looked into but I

1879
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:13,559
also think there's way more sightings

1880
01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:17,249
than then we realize well I'm making I'm

1881
01:19:22,009 --> 01:19:19,769
making a follow-up to the the Mothman a

1882
01:19:24,799 --> 01:19:22,019
pleasent called the Mothman legacy that

1883
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:24,809
tracks sightings from 1967 up until

1884
01:19:29,419 --> 01:19:26,820
present day so the the first movie was

1885
01:19:31,489 --> 01:19:29,429
about 66 and 67 sort of ended with the

1886
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:31,499
collapse of the Silver Bridge but that

1887
01:19:35,989 --> 01:19:34,320
bridge collapsed didn't didn't sort of

1888
01:19:36,469 --> 01:19:35,999
signal an end to the sightings the

1889
01:19:37,999 --> 01:19:36,479
reciting

1890
01:19:40,939 --> 01:19:38,009
long after that in their settings today

1891
01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:40,949
we had no we've had no problem finding

1892
01:19:45,559 --> 01:19:43,079
witnesses which is one of the first

1893
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:45,569
times I've run into that where you can

1894
01:19:48,759 --> 01:19:47,249
basically throw a stone and you'll hit

1895
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:48,769
someone who wants to tell you their

1896
01:19:55,909 --> 01:19:51,329
Mothman sightings degree wow that's

1897
01:19:57,649 --> 01:19:55,919
great we have Andy whoops yeah I think

1898
01:20:03,469 --> 01:19:57,659
I'm going on yeah yeah Andy on the air

1899
01:20:04,519 --> 01:20:03,479
from Connecticut how you doing Andy now

1900
01:20:08,329 --> 01:20:04,529
you have a question for our guest

1901
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:08,339
tonight yes sir my question for Seth is

1902
01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:11,219
kind of a two-part is is he aware of

1903
01:20:18,739 --> 01:20:15,989
what is his opinion on the cluster of

1904
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:18,749
sightings in the Chicago area of winged

1905
01:20:24,859 --> 01:20:21,659
humanoids some of which are very similar

1906
01:20:27,289 --> 01:20:24,869
to Mothman and then art too I'll take

1907
01:20:30,969 --> 01:20:27,299
your answer off the air would be does

1908
01:20:34,789 --> 01:20:30,979
Seth have a theory on everything

1909
01:20:37,899 --> 01:20:34,799
somewhat akin to maybe Paul or Benny no

1910
01:20:41,449 --> 01:20:37,909
is there a connection between all

1911
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:41,459
paranormal activity and I'll take your

1912
01:20:43,249 --> 01:20:43,049
answer off the air thank you guys good

1913
01:20:47,149 --> 01:20:43,259
job

1914
01:20:50,059 --> 01:20:47,159
yeah thank you Andy yeah the we're

1915
01:20:51,769 --> 01:20:50,069
actually gonna make a an on the trail of

1916
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:51,779
the Lake Michigan Mothman so that'll

1917
01:20:55,759 --> 01:20:53,699
track those Chicago sightings and we've

1918
01:20:57,259 --> 01:20:55,769
actually covered that topic already and

1919
01:20:59,389 --> 01:20:57,269
in our movie that came out last year

1920
01:21:01,069 --> 01:20:59,399
called terror in the skies where we

1921
01:21:02,779 --> 01:21:01,079
tracked winged creature sightings all

1922
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:02,789
around the state of Illinois going back

1923
01:21:08,899 --> 01:21:06,539
centuries but yeah my knowledge of that

1924
01:21:11,029 --> 01:21:08,909
case comes from the minimal amount of

1925
01:21:12,469 --> 01:21:11,039
time I spent on the case when we were

1926
01:21:14,329 --> 01:21:12,479
making Terry in the skies that story

1927
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:14,339
only makes up about 11 minutes of that

1928
01:21:19,249 --> 01:21:16,049
movie but we're gonna do a full

1929
01:21:20,749 --> 01:21:19,259
90-minute look at the case all I can

1930
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:20,759
tell you is that there's a lot more to

1931
01:21:25,209 --> 01:21:22,169
it than you would think

1932
01:21:28,849 --> 01:21:25,219
just by looking into it my initial

1933
01:21:30,679 --> 01:21:28,859
outlook on the the Chicago Mothman stuff

1934
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:30,689
was that it was more than likely made up

1935
01:21:35,269 --> 01:21:33,719
of misidentifications and hoaxes but in

1936
01:21:38,179 --> 01:21:35,279
listening to what

1937
01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:38,189
Tobias Weiland is sort of uncovered in

1938
01:21:45,259 --> 01:21:41,699
his research into that case it seems

1939
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:45,269
like there's a lot of sightings that are

1940
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:48,290
going on that are much more

1941
01:21:53,090 --> 01:21:51,330
believable and verifiable than what was

1942
01:21:55,730 --> 01:21:53,100
initially reported and we're now talking

1943
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:55,740
hundred not hundreds but well over a

1944
01:22:00,350 --> 01:21:57,210
hundred sightings that stretch back to

1945
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:00,360
2017 and there are not just relegated to

1946
01:22:04,460 --> 01:22:02,490
Chicago's it's probably worth mentioning

1947
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:04,470
as well they were gonna call the movie

1948
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:06,030
the Lake Michigan law on the trail of

1949
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:07,380
the Lake Michigan Mothman because they

1950
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:11,820
stretched that whole Lake Erie or Lake

1951
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:15,480
Michigan shoreline and towns you know in

1952
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:18,870
Indiana Illinois Michigan there's

1953
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:20,130
there's people that are seeing things

1954
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:21,990
all over in that area so I'm very

1955
01:22:25,580 --> 01:22:22,860
familiar with it

1956
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,590
I'm not as well-versed in it as I will

1957
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:27,540
be in about a month one way when we

1958
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:29,910
shoot that that series and as far as

1959
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:32,880
like having a theory of everything I do

1960
01:22:36,980 --> 01:22:34,860
not have a theory of everything and I

1961
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:36,990
don't ever subscribe to degrees of

1962
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:40,620
everything I think it's trying to trying

1963
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:44,250
to neatly tie everything together with a

1964
01:22:51,170 --> 01:22:48,120
bow didn't happen Albert Albert Einstein

1965
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:51,180
couldn't do it yeah I just don't I just

1966
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:52,650
don't I just don't think it's I just

1967
01:22:54,860 --> 01:22:54,360
don't think it's doable and I know I

1968
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:54,870
know

1969
01:23:01,810 --> 01:22:59,100
ultra terrestrials and all that kind of

1970
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:01,820
stuff and that was all sort of aimed at

1971
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:04,050
uniting everything coming up with a

1972
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:06,330
common unifying theory for what was the

1973
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:07,860
cause of it and I just don't think

1974
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:09,780
that's you're not gonna I don't think

1975
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:11,670
that's what we're what we're dealing

1976
01:23:14,510 --> 01:23:12,300
with

1977
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:14,520
I think Paul you know Paul and Benny

1978
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,010
know their their theory is more or less

1979
01:23:22,030 --> 01:23:19,800
he's been on the show quite a few times

1980
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:22,040
and I think it's more or less of a long

1981
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:26,070
along the lines of interdimensional is

1982
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:31,610
how he explains that now have Derk Derk

1983
01:23:37,810 --> 01:23:34,230
is calling from Pennsylvania welcome to

1984
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:37,820
the show Dirk hi thanks for calling oh

1985
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:40,890
yeah I got three things on big Fred

1986
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:44,630
oddly enough every time he got bill Mons

1987
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:48,570
the guy who restored the Patterson

1988
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:51,960
Gimlin and he's a monster makeup guy

1989
01:23:59,300 --> 01:23:54,900
from Hollywood he did some excellent

1990
01:24:00,980 --> 01:23:59,310
work yeah I'm very familiar with the

1991
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:00,990
work he's done on the Patterson Gimlin

1992
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:02,210
film I have

1993
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:04,260
connected with him yet but I'm actually

1994
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:07,290
hoping to in the next year or so that

1995
01:24:10,610 --> 01:24:08,730
would be great because I think all this

1996
01:24:14,060 --> 01:24:10,620
information has gotten buried under a

1997
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:14,070
bunch of not very good stuff huh well

1998
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:16,770
most of what most of what goes on most

1999
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:20,010
of what goes on with Bigfoot these days

2000
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:23,730
is not very good so I just think it's

2001
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:27,210
entertaining yeah I had a problem with

2002
01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:29,400
Momo's he only has three toes

2003
01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:32,070
there aren't any basically there's

2004
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:33,750
hardly any mammals at all with three

2005
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,370
toes everything has five including

2006
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:37,440
whales if you look at their skeletons

2007
01:24:41,870 --> 01:24:40,170
they have five fingers perfectly yeah

2008
01:24:44,690 --> 01:24:41,880
means everything

2009
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:44,700
that just can't be yeah and what's weird

2010
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:46,650
about that is there were a rash of

2011
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:49,350
sightings or not sightings but findings

2012
01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:52,380
in the 70s of three-toed casts including

2013
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,750
Stan Gordon actually found some on the

2014
01:25:00,250 --> 01:24:57,600
Chestnut Ridge and they seem to be in

2015
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:00,260
areas where people were seeing you know

2016
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:03,210
bigfoot-like creatures that was one of

2017
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:04,830
the stranger things about about the

2018
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:06,120
sightings of MoMA was that they were

2019
01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:08,130
finding these three toed casts well at

2020
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:10,740
least one of the really famous trackways

2021
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:12,690
we know was faked by this girl we

2022
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:14,970
actually interviewed for for Momo the

2023
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:16,710
Missouri monster and she recalled

2024
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:19,770
actually faking the the trackway when

2025
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:21,840
she was a kid but the same thing

2026
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:24,150
actually happened with the boggy creek

2027
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:27,000
monster the Falcon monster they the

2028
01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:28,710
tracks that were finding were were

2029
01:25:32,780 --> 01:25:30,990
three-toed or appeared to be three toed

2030
01:25:35,210 --> 01:25:32,790
down there as well so during the 70's

2031
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:35,220
there was either like an abnormally

2032
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,130
number a high number of three toed

2033
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:40,320
Bigfoot running around which again like

2034
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:43,110
I'm like you I don't think that that can

2035
01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:46,110
be or there were a lot of hoaxes or

2036
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:49,380
there was misidentification of tracks

2037
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:51,090
that were you know bare steps or

2038
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:52,290
something there's something going on

2039
01:26:00,560 --> 01:25:57,170
there yeah my last point pretty well

2040
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:00,570
actually questioned the Bray Road beast

2041
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:03,690
what that has gotten so popular now

2042
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:05,190
everybody is seeing these things

2043
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:08,070
everywhere and that's kind of weird to

2044
01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:09,090
me I think it's kind of like there's

2045
01:26:13,010 --> 01:26:11,700
three toed things things people get it

2046
01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:13,020
in their head and then they just start

2047
01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:15,540
seeing it yeah well what I

2048
01:26:20,210 --> 01:26:17,430
says that people people want to be a

2049
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:20,220
part of the story so so that that is a

2050
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:22,380
problem you you get you get case

2051
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:25,260
contamination where people the more

2052
01:26:31,370 --> 01:26:28,500
popular a story becomes the the less you

2053
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:31,380
can believe immediately every single

2054
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:32,850
thing that people tell you and obviously

2055
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,470
you you always want to try to trust

2056
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,800
witnesses but you you can't necessarily

2057
01:26:42,890 --> 01:26:39,120
believe everything single thing you're

2058
01:26:45,170 --> 01:26:42,900
told so yeah that the hot cryptid right

2059
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:45,180
now seems to be dog man and I don't know

2060
01:26:50,420 --> 01:26:48,840
I I would I mean it would be cool to say

2061
01:26:53,150 --> 01:26:50,430
it was because our movie the Bray Road

2062
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:53,160
beast that came out a year and a half

2063
01:26:56,690 --> 01:26:55,260
ago was a big hit but I don't think I

2064
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:56,700
can take credit for that so I don't know

2065
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:58,770
if there's it does seem like there's

2066
01:27:03,260 --> 01:27:00,300
more and more sightings every year of

2067
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:03,270
what they call a dog man and I don't

2068
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:05,730
know what that is attributable to I have

2069
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:07,530
no idea and and the sightings are so

2070
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:10,350
strange I do know a lot of the Quadra

2071
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:13,800
Petra Port seem to just be you know like

2072
01:27:21,380 --> 01:27:18,450
a coywolves or some sort of wolf hybrid

2073
01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:21,390
since those those reports very often do

2074
01:27:27,940 --> 01:27:25,740
not actually entail a like a wolf on its

2075
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:27,950
hind legs very often it's just a

2076
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:30,210
abnormally large wolf running on four

2077
01:27:37,940 --> 01:27:32,850
legs I think my favorite was the one

2078
01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:37,950
wearing a hat smoking a cigarette that

2079
01:27:43,730 --> 01:27:41,670
guy Wow alright what better about your

2080
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:43,740
movies Bank alright yeah we're going to

2081
01:27:48,860 --> 01:27:46,170
talk about how people can watch the

2082
01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:48,870
movies to hear before before the end of

2083
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:53,340
the show definitely so we also have Josh

2084
01:27:57,500 --> 01:27:55,830
he's calling I think from the north part

2085
01:28:05,510 --> 01:27:57,510
of the Hudson Valley Albany New York

2086
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:05,520
Josh how you doing good good you have a

2087
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:10,970
question for our guest tonight yes I

2088
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:15,530
enjoyed your conversation very much I

2089
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:18,810
called Martin I called when you had Gary

2090
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:22,710
Heseltine on and I asked about I spoke

2091
01:28:27,140 --> 01:28:24,630
to him about my sighting of an object

2092
01:28:29,530 --> 01:28:27,150
with the barbershop side pole light on

2093
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:29,540
it mm-hmm

2094
01:28:37,210 --> 01:28:33,890
so but now I'm calling because death I

2095
01:28:41,790 --> 01:28:37,220
actually found your work a while ago

2096
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:41,800
without knowing it was your work the the

2097
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:45,410
movie the chestnut yeah that you had

2098
01:28:53,170 --> 01:28:47,510
mentioned earlier that yes people find

2099
01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:53,180
you girl yes yeah that's the first time

2100
01:28:59,230 --> 01:28:55,580
I had seen anything from you I didn't

2101
01:29:02,620 --> 01:28:59,240
like it I did I enjoyed it very much

2102
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:02,630
okay good and I'm super looking forward

2103
01:29:07,150 --> 01:29:05,630
to the new series okay cool

2104
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:07,160
[Music]

2105
01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:10,610
I myself am a writer and filmmaker it's

2106
01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:12,230
part of the reason I moved to New York

2107
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:17,620
from Massachusetts cool huh

2108
01:29:27,940 --> 01:29:22,450
wondering if you have any advice on on

2109
01:29:33,370 --> 01:29:27,950
how I can get myself out there if you

2110
01:29:36,430 --> 01:29:33,380
can talk about how you yourself I mean

2111
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:36,440
yeah anytime anyone asks for advice I

2112
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:38,570
have a couple things to say and there

2113
01:29:44,290 --> 01:29:41,510
are always an abnormal from what I hear

2114
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:44,300
from other filmmakers but really like

2115
01:29:50,710 --> 01:29:48,050
the the first bit of advice is to be too

2116
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:50,720
domed and fail because I genuinely I

2117
01:29:56,170 --> 01:29:53,810
believe that's where I'm at like I'm I I

2118
01:30:00,010 --> 01:29:56,180
wouldn't even say we're like a raging

2119
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:00,020
success I mean you know like we we make

2120
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:01,850
movies for a living but you know like

2121
01:30:05,380 --> 01:30:03,770
we're not we're not Hollywood we're not

2122
01:30:06,940 --> 01:30:05,390
millionaires we just get to do what we

2123
01:30:11,380 --> 01:30:06,950
love and I think that in itself is a

2124
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:11,390
success but yes yeah yeah but there's a

2125
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:15,520
certain stupidity in what I do in that

2126
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:19,280
what we do has never been done before as

2127
01:30:23,410 --> 01:30:21,170
a company I I can tell you that as

2128
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:23,420
someone who who has an agent who's

2129
01:30:29,170 --> 01:30:25,970
talked to other people who understands

2130
01:30:32,290 --> 01:30:29,180
that our business model is not a model

2131
01:30:35,710 --> 01:30:32,300
you can follow and and there's no

2132
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:35,720
blueprint for what we do and at times

2133
01:30:39,670 --> 01:30:38,000
there's been there have been times where

2134
01:30:41,950 --> 01:30:39,680
we should have quit where I should have

2135
01:30:45,070 --> 01:30:41,960
realized I'm putting my

2136
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:45,080
I'm putting myself in financial distress

2137
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:46,850
I'm putting my wife through financial

2138
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:48,530
distress I should probably call it a day

2139
01:30:54,939 --> 01:30:52,460
and and I was too dumb to do that and so

2140
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:54,949
so there is a certain element of of

2141
01:30:59,470 --> 01:30:56,690
putting your head down and just

2142
01:31:01,479 --> 01:30:59,480
bulldozing forward and being persistent

2143
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,489
and what you're doing the that goes into

2144
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:03,920
to becoming a success and then the other

2145
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:06,170
things just to really work and I mean

2146
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:09,050
like really really work and to you know

2147
01:31:14,649 --> 01:31:11,870
like if you if you look at I'm a big

2148
01:31:16,030 --> 01:31:14,659
basketball fan I'm weirdly enough I've

2149
01:31:18,189 --> 01:31:16,040
in the last couple of years I've become

2150
01:31:20,110 --> 01:31:18,199
a sports guy I never was growing up but

2151
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:20,120
today I am for some reason and one thing

2152
01:31:27,820 --> 01:31:24,650
I look at a lot is those guys they never

2153
01:31:28,959 --> 01:31:27,830
stop working at what they do so

2154
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,969
basketball players they just play

2155
01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:30,560
basketball they're constantly shooting

2156
01:31:35,050 --> 01:31:32,630
they're constantly working on their shot

2157
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:35,060
free-throws whatever it's the same

2158
01:31:40,630 --> 01:31:37,610
concept with filmmaking like all my free

2159
01:31:43,899 --> 01:31:40,640
time that isn't spent with my wife and

2160
01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:43,909
kid I am watching YouTube tutorials on

2161
01:31:48,189 --> 01:31:46,670
how to edit better better editing

2162
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:48,199
techniques I'm trying to teach myself

2163
01:31:52,810 --> 01:31:51,020
different aspects of filmmaking that I

2164
01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:52,820
don't know how to do so I can help us

2165
01:31:56,919 --> 01:31:55,190
save money during the production and on

2166
01:31:59,020 --> 01:31:56,929
the trail of UFOs I had to teach myself

2167
01:32:01,060 --> 01:31:59,030
how to do effects work because our

2168
01:32:03,729 --> 01:32:01,070
budget ran out like we just didn't have

2169
01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:03,739
money to keep hiring freelancers to do

2170
01:32:07,870 --> 01:32:05,000
effects work so I had to teach myself

2171
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:07,880
how to do it so there's a there's also

2172
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:09,770
just a certain element of just you've

2173
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:11,449
got to keep your head down and work

2174
01:32:20,110 --> 01:32:14,090
really really hard Josh thanks for the

2175
01:32:21,939 --> 01:32:20,120
call thank you good night alright so the

2176
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:21,949
line is open and that number again is

2177
01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:24,890
eight five five four seven two five four

2178
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:28,640
eight three yeah I I agree hard work is

2179
01:32:31,450 --> 01:32:29,449
up

2180
01:32:34,780 --> 01:32:31,460
maybe I'm I've been a little too dumb

2181
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:34,790
for this show I just keep going when

2182
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:37,489
things come at me but but it's still

2183
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:40,810
interesting and still you have to have a

2184
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:44,239
passion for something otherwise why

2185
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:46,130
bother and you just made a really good

2186
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:49,370
point if you if you love what you have

2187
01:32:55,460 --> 01:32:52,730
to do then that success you know I'm

2188
01:32:59,360 --> 01:32:55,470
lucky for what I actually have to do

2189
01:33:01,580 --> 01:32:59,370
work I really love what I do and so

2190
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:01,590
that's it's all good stuff and it must

2191
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:03,930
be I can't imagine you know I've been a

2192
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:06,900
little bit involved in film with a

2193
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:10,050
friend of mine over the years you know

2194
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:13,740
many years ago actually it's so much fun

2195
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:16,710
it's to me it's not like not like

2196
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:17,550
working at all

2197
01:33:25,220 --> 01:33:20,340
good stuff yeah my wife asked me what

2198
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:25,230
the most monotonous part of my my job is

2199
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:28,170
and I said it's never the stuff you

2200
01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:29,970
think it would it's not like the Edit

2201
01:33:33,740 --> 01:33:32,100
like I love all the aspects of editing

2202
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,750
even when I'm sitting here my computer

2203
01:33:37,450 --> 01:33:35,520
keeps crashing as I'm trying to run

2204
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:37,460
renders and stuff you know like you

2205
01:33:42,260 --> 01:33:39,930
compared to sitting in at a desk doing

2206
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:42,270
data entry I'll take this any day but

2207
01:33:47,630 --> 01:33:45,210
you know for me it's never it's never

2208
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:47,640
the things you think it would be you

2209
01:33:52,670 --> 01:33:49,890
know I love obviously I love the travel

2210
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,680
and filming on location but even

2211
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:54,960
teaching myself the minuscule amount of

2212
01:33:59,600 --> 01:33:56,940
effects work I did on on the trail of

2213
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,610
UFOs I had a blast with so I'll go home

2214
01:34:04,190 --> 01:34:01,920
tonight and I'll watch tutorials when I

2215
01:34:07,010 --> 01:34:04,200
get when I get home that's like that's

2216
01:34:10,130 --> 01:34:07,020
what I do in the evening I watch various

2217
01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:10,140
videos about filmmaking yeah yeah we're

2218
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:11,910
in a time where you can do that I mean

2219
01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:14,400
ya know 20 years ago that would be

2220
01:34:19,130 --> 01:34:17,490
unheard of though I mean honestly I wish

2221
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:19,140
I had said this to Josh but like don't

2222
01:34:23,060 --> 01:34:21,540
don't buy I mean maybe you already did

2223
01:34:24,530 --> 01:34:23,070
but don't buy into the idea that you

2224
01:34:26,780 --> 01:34:24,540
have to go to film school because at

2225
01:34:28,540 --> 01:34:26,790
this point there's more you could go on

2226
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:28,550
youtube and learn more than you would

2227
01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:31,530
going going to going to film school I

2228
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:34,500
took I took a film course on on a

2229
01:34:38,590 --> 01:34:37,110
website taught by Werner Herzog like

2230
01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:38,600
that's not something you could have done

2231
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:42,750
five years ago yeah so pretty awesome

2232
01:34:47,660 --> 01:34:44,730
one thing we haven't done yet and that

2233
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:47,670
is we haven't talked about when and

2234
01:34:53,180 --> 01:34:51,330
where doesn't the release today or no

2235
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:53,190
the official release date is actually

2236
01:34:56,990 --> 01:34:55,050
March 20th so it's still it's still

2237
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,000
coming ups we're still we're still a

2238
01:35:01,040 --> 01:34:58,800
little ways out but there's no link now

2239
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:01,050
an active link or there is yet

2240
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:03,090
pre-orders for the series there's two

2241
01:35:06,260 --> 01:35:04,410
ways to preorder you can preorder

2242
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:06,270
through the website at small town

2243
01:35:10,940 --> 01:35:08,970
monster's calm or you can

2244
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:10,950
guarantee a copy when you back the key

2245
01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:12,510
there's a Kickstarter that we run we run

2246
01:35:16,130 --> 01:35:14,100
a Kickstarter at the start of every year

2247
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:16,140
and that's how we fund everything we do

2248
01:35:21,170 --> 01:35:18,810
through the year and we launched our

2249
01:35:24,170 --> 01:35:21,180
Kickstarter two weeks ago we're a

2250
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:24,180
hundred and nineteen or 117 percent

2251
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:25,770
funded now so we already reached our

2252
01:35:32,150 --> 01:35:29,340
goal so we set a stretch goal and once

2253
01:35:33,710 --> 01:35:32,160
we reached the stretch goal we will be

2254
01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:33,720
doing our best to get on the trail of

2255
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:35,340
the Lake Michigan Mothman out this year

2256
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:37,050
in addition to the other three projects

2257
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,760
we have have coming out so if people

2258
01:35:42,170 --> 01:35:40,560
want to look up the Kickstarter all the

2259
01:35:43,940 --> 01:35:42,180
informations on small town monster's

2260
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:43,950
calm well that obviously is an

2261
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:46,440
attachment to your work if if you're

2262
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:48,420
getting funded like that because there

2263
01:35:52,820 --> 01:35:50,490
are many many people that try to do

2264
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:52,830
those fundraisers and nothing happens so

2265
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:55,500
I think it's I think it's artwork and

2266
01:36:00,620 --> 01:35:58,050
also the rewards are really cool like we

2267
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:00,630
put we put a lot of effort and time and

2268
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:02,850
money back into the campaign so

2269
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:04,500
basically what people put into the

2270
01:36:08,420 --> 01:36:06,330
Kickstarter they get back in their

2271
01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:08,430
rewards so there's like this year we

2272
01:36:12,230 --> 01:36:10,500
added blu-ray copies so if people want

2273
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:12,240
to see on the trail of UFOs and you've

2274
01:36:17,630 --> 01:36:15,260
seen it so like the the scenery in

2275
01:36:19,190 --> 01:36:17,640
itself would be worth watching the

2276
01:36:22,460 --> 01:36:19,200
series in life yeah and I mean obviously

2277
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:22,470
I'm the guy that made it but but seeing

2278
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:23,970
it on blu-ray is gonna be incredible I'm

2279
01:36:28,820 --> 01:36:25,950
actually really excited about that very

2280
01:36:31,850 --> 01:36:28,830
I noticed also whatever you using for a

2281
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:31,860
camera is very good and also that you're

2282
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:33,420
you're editing if you're doing it

2283
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:36,060
yourself is pretty impressive I told

2284
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,650
that to Alejandro the other day when I

2285
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:38,880
was talking with him

2286
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:41,850
thank you yeah cool yeah so I've really

2287
01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:44,310
that's a one good thing about doing the

2288
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:45,750
show like I do I get to see things

2289
01:36:52,610 --> 01:36:50,450
before everyone else so I like that and

2290
01:36:55,250 --> 01:36:52,620
you know it makes me actually want to

2291
01:36:57,650 --> 01:36:55,260
see some of your other work so I'm

2292
01:37:00,050 --> 01:36:57,660
actually even though I do the show on

2293
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:00,060
UFOs the other topics I do find pretty

2294
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:03,210
interesting so let's talk we've got

2295
01:37:09,290 --> 01:37:07,080
about 5 5 or 6 minutes left let's talk a

2296
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:09,300
little bit more about some of the cases

2297
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:11,310
that you researched while you were doing

2298
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:14,880
this series yeah I I I realized after

2299
01:37:18,590 --> 01:37:16,410
the fact that I had cut myself off

2300
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:18,600
because we that first trip was only in

2301
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:21,070
the first of three trips the next one

2302
01:37:25,380 --> 01:37:22,930
took us to the east coast we actually

2303
01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:25,390
started in Florida and worked our way up

2304
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:29,590
to New Hampshire with stops in Manhattan

2305
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:33,040
and and the Hudson Valley North Carolina

2306
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:35,110
to shoot an episode on the Brown

2307
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:37,450
Mountain lights and I mean that's

2308
01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:39,550
probably worth talking about real quick

2309
01:37:45,330 --> 01:37:42,280
is episode number six which is is titled

2310
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:45,340
I'm gonna let it shine or just let it

2311
01:37:50,430 --> 01:37:47,470
shine I think which is my little nod to

2312
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:50,440
that hymn that my parents used to sing

2313
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:53,890
when I was a kid but it's an episode

2314
01:37:59,490 --> 01:37:56,290
that's entirely about mystery lights and

2315
01:38:02,550 --> 01:37:59,500
that's a subject that is very often

2316
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:02,560
ignored or overlooked when it comes to

2317
01:38:08,940 --> 01:38:07,150
you a piece and you know I knew making

2318
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:08,950
the series that I would be a bit of a

2319
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,250
stretch to include mystery lights in a

2320
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:14,800
series about UFOs but thankfully like

2321
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:17,170
some of our went our interview subjects

2322
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:19,210
did a great job of tying it back into

2323
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:22,090
ufology and I thought overall that that

2324
01:38:30,210 --> 01:38:26,770
that episode did a much better job of

2325
01:38:34,650 --> 01:38:30,220
sort of expanding on how large and scale

2326
01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:34,660
the the UAP subject is but we actually

2327
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:36,040
went to brown Mountain where the Brown

2328
01:38:39,930 --> 01:38:37,090
Mountain lights are seen and we

2329
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:39,940
interviewed Myka Hanks about about the

2330
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:41,020
Brown Mountain lights and then we

2331
01:38:43,950 --> 01:38:42,400
interviewed we got to talk to two

2332
01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:43,960
different witnesses two people that have

2333
01:38:49,260 --> 01:38:45,670
claimed to see seeing the Brown Mountain

2334
01:38:50,730 --> 01:38:49,270
lights we we interviewed a guy who had a

2335
01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:50,740
sighting of what you better guess

2336
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:53,710
described as like an orb near Asheville

2337
01:38:58,830 --> 01:38:55,390
in New York while he was hiking with his

2338
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,840
friend they were actually they were

2339
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:00,880
hiking near Asheville late at night they

2340
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:02,650
did night hiking they were trying to

2341
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:04,000
find a camping spot they were in the

2342
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,250
middle of nowhere up in these woods and

2343
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:09,520
they came into a pine forest and they

2344
01:39:17,460 --> 01:39:12,760
encountered this glowing massive sphere

2345
01:39:21,540 --> 01:39:17,470
in the air that approached them they

2346
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:21,550
were overcome with absolute fear from

2347
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:23,560
from what they told me and took off

2348
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:25,540
running and the thing actually followed

2349
01:39:31,620 --> 01:39:28,900
them a little ways so that episode is

2350
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:31,630
all about sort of that strange stuff and

2351
01:39:35,690 --> 01:39:33,210
then episode 7 is

2352
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:35,700
is called the taken and that is our

2353
01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:38,370
abduction episode and I you know like

2354
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:40,440
what we wanted to do with the series is

2355
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:42,780
give you some of the high points some of

2356
01:39:46,130 --> 01:39:44,760
the key points of ufology and obviously

2357
01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:46,140
one of those is going to be Betty and

2358
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:48,660
Barney Hill but we wanted to do it in a

2359
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:52,170
way where it didn't bog down people like

2360
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:53,340
yourself who are very knowledgeable

2361
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:56,370
about the subject so because I do

2362
01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:58,050
understand the idea that if you're

2363
01:40:01,640 --> 01:39:59,730
sitting there and watching an episode

2364
01:40:02,780 --> 01:40:01,650
that spends 20 minutes on Betty and

2365
01:40:04,190 --> 01:40:02,790
Barney Hill when you've already heard

2366
01:40:07,190 --> 01:40:04,200
that story a hundred times we're gonna

2367
01:40:08,510 --> 01:40:07,200
lose you so what we did there is you

2368
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:08,520
know like we actually went to the White

2369
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,170
Mountains we went to the locations where

2370
01:40:14,690 --> 01:40:12,239
the hills were and that story is

2371
01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:14,700
explained throughout the episode but

2372
01:40:18,140 --> 01:40:16,860
it's intertwined with it's basically

2373
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:18,150
using the Betty and Barney Hill

2374
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:21,510
abduction event as as a way to explain

2375
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:24,480
how it's it's indicative of something

2376
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:27,030
much larger and that's the abduction

2377
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:29,250
phenomenon in general and we interviewed

2378
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:32,130
multiple experiencers people who claim

2379
01:40:36,770 --> 01:40:34,920
to be abducted or have gone through

2380
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:36,780
abductions and then we sort of expand on

2381
01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:40,410
that and get into some of the theories

2382
01:40:46,540 --> 01:40:42,540
on why that's happening and what the

2383
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,550
purpose of it is but the hill's

2384
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:48,960
abduction was really important to me to

2385
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:52,560
have involved and and then John Horgan

2386
01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:55,290
was kind enough to give us access to

2387
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that interview with Betty which was

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01:41:03,500 --> 01:40:59,850
actually her last interview I think it

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01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:03,510
was done in 1999 and you will actually

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01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:06,090
see snippets of that interview and if

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01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:07,590
you want to you can actually watch that

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01:41:12,380 --> 01:41:10,020
whole interview on YouTube I think if

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01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,390
you search like the secret or the last

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01:41:16,340 --> 01:41:14,400
it's either the secret Betty Hill

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01:41:19,729 --> 01:41:16,350
interview or the last video interview

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01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:19,739
you'll find that but but we we were able

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01:41:25,370 --> 01:41:21,930
to use snippets of that interview and I

2398
01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:25,380
think that does a lot to really heighten

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01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:29,550
the the tenseness of it episode but yeah

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01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:32,760
the there was also a trip to area 51 we

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01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:35,310
went on which happened to coincide with

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01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:39,840
the the same day that that storm area 51

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01:41:43,670 --> 01:41:42,239
event story broke in the main stream

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01:41:45,190 --> 01:41:43,680
happened to be the same day that we were

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01:41:47,410 --> 01:41:45,200
driving out there

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01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:47,420
51 and when we got out there we had

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01:41:52,990 --> 01:41:50,090
Facebook messages we had we had been

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01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:53,000
live streaming our drive out there and

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01:41:56,350 --> 01:41:54,560
four hundred and seventy five thousand

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01:41:59,050 --> 01:41:56,360
people ended up watching our live stream

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01:42:01,390 --> 01:41:59,060
because it was going viral and someone

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01:42:04,860 --> 01:42:01,400
had shared that in that storm area 51

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01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:04,870
group so there were there were a lot of

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01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:06,890
incidents like that that happened

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01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:09,110
throughout the series and I'm trying to

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01:42:13,690 --> 01:42:12,170
think of like some really key cases and

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01:42:15,460 --> 01:42:13,700
everything is slipping them online so

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01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:15,470
I'm doing a terrible job of that well

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01:42:20,590 --> 01:42:18,080
that's alright we have a one caller uh

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01:42:21,820 --> 01:42:20,600
bill from New York Bill we're gonna have

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01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:21,830
to make this quick because we only got a

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01:42:28,180 --> 01:42:25,970
couple of minutes left so go ahead what

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01:42:29,890 --> 01:42:28,190
is the picture on the right hand side in

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01:42:35,230 --> 01:42:29,900
the comments section we have it narrowed

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01:42:39,390 --> 01:42:35,240
down to an ant eater or Jesus this is

2426
01:42:42,670 --> 01:42:39,400
YouTube there's a video of us basically

2427
01:42:44,710 --> 01:42:42,680
for the podcast listener so we have on

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01:42:47,410 --> 01:42:44,720
YouTube chef this background has some

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01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:47,420
posters so yeah what do you have going

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01:42:51,970 --> 01:42:50,330
on battle on the right hand side so this

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01:42:57,310 --> 01:42:51,980
side is that what we're talking about

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01:43:00,460 --> 01:42:57,320
because on the far on the far side the

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01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:00,470
white one the small one looks kind of

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01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:02,510
like an anteater from here or it could

2435
01:43:12,490 --> 01:43:09,190
be Jesus we're not sure there's it was

2436
01:43:14,410 --> 01:43:12,500
there's there's a Mothman poster there's

2437
01:43:16,030 --> 01:43:14,420
a manner of a monster poster and then

2438
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:16,040
like a small town monsters compilation

2439
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:18,080
poster over here I've got an original

2440
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:20,210
Lobby card for the Legend of Boggy Creek

2441
01:43:24,370 --> 01:43:22,730
but you might be looking at the what

2442
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:24,380
what is actually like a moth it's

2443
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:26,330
actually the poster has a full-scale

2444
01:43:35,410 --> 01:43:33,380
moth on it the little one oh that's said

2445
01:43:37,780 --> 01:43:35,420
that's a lobby card that's a lobby card

2446
01:43:40,090 --> 01:43:37,790
from The Legend of Boggy Creek and it's

2447
01:43:42,580 --> 01:43:40,100
it's one of the it's one of the

2448
01:43:45,310 --> 01:43:42,590
characters falling through a window

2449
01:43:48,130 --> 01:43:45,320
after being terrified by the fountain on

2450
01:43:48,430 --> 01:43:48,140
stir well hey back you weren't even

2451
01:43:51,130 --> 01:43:48,440
close

2452
01:43:54,820 --> 01:43:51,140
so that was entertaining bill so thank

2453
01:43:56,410 --> 01:43:54,830
you for the call all right thanks

2454
01:43:59,050 --> 01:43:56,420
all right so we just have a couple of

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01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:59,060
minutes left so are just like a minute

2456
01:44:02,620 --> 01:43:59,360
or so

2457
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:02,630
one more time if you would give out the

2458
01:44:06,879 --> 01:44:05,330
website where someone can go it I saw

2459
01:44:08,919 --> 01:44:06,889
there was on iTunes that's what are

2460
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:08,929
their platforms are you gonna have that

2461
01:44:15,700 --> 01:44:13,310
on yeah so so the big rollout for on the

2462
01:44:18,129 --> 01:44:15,710
trail of is going to hit Amazon and

2463
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:18,139
Vimeo on demand right now that is the

2464
01:44:24,220 --> 01:44:21,440
only two planned release date places but

2465
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:24,230
we have a meeting tomorrow that could

2466
01:44:30,129 --> 01:44:27,280
affect that it could get a much wider

2467
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:30,139
release but all of our stuff is

2468
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,090
available on Amazon too if you're if

2469
01:44:35,859 --> 01:44:34,400
you're into cryptids and all that you

2470
01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:35,869
can look up small-town monsters on

2471
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,790
Amazon it'll take you right to a landing

2472
01:44:42,580 --> 01:44:39,920
page that will link you back to pretty

2473
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:42,590
much every movie and I know we just put

2474
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:45,110
up the mom of the Missouri monster on

2475
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:47,330
Amazon Prime so that's actually free for

2476
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:49,250
prime subscribers a lot of our movies

2477
01:44:53,379 --> 01:44:50,449
are actually free on Amazon

2478
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:53,389
oh yeah so you could if you're listening

2479
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,210
to this and you want to watch invasion

2480
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,880
on Chestnut Ridge that's on there The

2481
01:45:02,350 --> 01:45:00,080
Moth made of Point Pleasant and the

2482
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:02,360
flatwoods monster are not currently free

2483
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,510
on crime but they're both on there and

2484
01:45:09,310 --> 01:45:06,800
everything is on there if you're looking

2485
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:09,320
for if you're like at iTunes Google Play

2486
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,330
user you can look up the math community

2487
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:12,800
pleasant and beige not Chestnut Ridge

2488
01:45:17,770 --> 01:45:15,650
and boggy creek monster on there you can

2489
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:17,780
learn more about us at small town

2490
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:20,840
monster's calm on the trail of TV we

2491
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,250
post everything you can actually watch

2492
01:45:29,229 --> 01:45:25,280
on the trail of Bigfoot free at on the

2493
01:45:31,689 --> 01:45:29,239
trail of dot TV and if you're interested

2494
01:45:33,939 --> 01:45:31,699
in helping fund our movies and getting

2495
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:33,949
some really cool rewards in return you

2496
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:36,110
can go on Kickstarter and just search

2497
01:45:42,129 --> 01:45:39,679
small town monsters or Mothman or Bell

2498
01:45:42,879 --> 01:45:42,139
Witch or UFOs you should be able to turn

2499
01:45:44,740 --> 01:45:42,889
it up that way

2500
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:44,750
thanks so much Seth we are totally out

2501
01:45:47,919 --> 01:45:46,550
of time I really appreciate it extra

2502
01:45:50,530 --> 01:45:47,929
having me all right have a good one

2503
01:45:52,810 --> 01:45:50,540
all right everyone's to do thank you and

2504
01:45:54,250 --> 01:45:52,820
that's it for our show tonight thank you

2505
01:45:57,250 --> 01:45:54,260
so much for listening we'll be back next

2506
01:45:59,320 --> 01:45:57,260
week with Dave Marlar and I want to

2507
01:46:01,450 --> 01:45:59,330
thank everyone that is listening and

2508
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:01,460
supports the show as well and remember

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01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:03,360
to keep your eyes to the sky